Woman convicted of having images of sexual torture of kids

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They were very involved in Roller Derby in Manchester, particularly with queer and trans kids who skate. Manchester Roller Derby have had to release a statement about their actions.

metro.co.uk/2018/12/13/nhs-administrator-led-double-life-online-paedophile-avoids-jail-8245986/

So just to say straight out what clearly several of us have been wondering, she is a biological female? I wondered because this is such an incredibly rare crime for a woman to commit. Utterly, utterly despicable. How anyone can live with themselves having had any part in causing such suffering to children is beyond me.

But doesn't the 'poor weak controlled woman' perpetuate that stereotype? She said those things. She named what she liked about the child abuse images. Being abused herself, doesn't mean she didn't find the images gratifying and there's no way of telling if she did or not but she owned a lot of them and stated privately her enjoyment.

Women do do it too. And it's not pleasant but they should be treated in exactly the same way because it causes exactly the same amount of harm.

Nothing I'm not guessing or suggesting.

There is a recognised epidemic of viewing sexually abusive images of children. This is overwhelmingly a male crime.
It seems possible that amongst those involved a male-born person/s with a GRC may be prosecuted at some point.
It concerns me that data and reportings are accurate when child protection is involved.

Women do do it too. And it's not pleasant but they should be treated in exactly the same way because it causes exactly the same amount of harm.

When women are involved (which is very rarely) they should of course be prosecuted just as males are.
Where there is also evidence of coersive control and abuse by a male partner, this is relevent and should not be denied as being a relevent factor. It does not mitigate responsibility.

What is also true is that women who are guilty of such appalling crimes are often not treated in the same way as males, since they receive more coverage and often more condemnation.

Its a complex situation requiring nuance.

Women do do it too. And it's not pleasant but they should be treated in exactly the same way because it causes exactly the same amount of harm.

Yes male-born "women" do but it is microscopically rare in actual women.
If this Laura had been treated the same way the sentence would probably be the same but no one would know about it. No headlines, no discussion. Its worrying how common possessing child abuse images is. Imagine how many are not caught if thousands are being prosecuted.

True re images. But I know quite a few people in sexual abuse support as well as myself who have been abused by women so I just can't consider it 'microscopically small'- just caught less due to the same nuances. Women are weak, women are easily led & exploited, women don't have the same sexual appetite etc. Yes most predators are men, but I wonder if that's down to a sense of entitlement that women do not have so do not act on.

And yes coercive control is obviously a huge mitigating factor but as she privately stated what she personally got out of the images, that tells me it's more 'birds of a feather' than purely made to obey abusive boyfriend. I think a woman who didn't want to do it but was made to would make statements more in the way of 'i like to make you happy' more than the ones she did make.

*BettyDuMonde

There have been several local councillors found with indecent images in MCR in the last few years. One was a school teacher and a councillor.

None received custodial sentences.*

Betty do you remember any details or names? I don't . which worries me , am I getting blase about this crime?
Its so fucking common. is a scandal that should more headlines, outragd and coverage not less.

I think we should have a thread dedicated to people involved in local politics, public sector workers like police, and quangos who are involved in child abuse images - particularly those involved in developing policies.

Too many good people feel unworthy of getting into politics and too many dodgy people see it as a game to play to their own dodgy, perverted advantage.

Were they blokes, betty

Yep. Here’s one of them (from 2015): www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-34490347

Almost of the Mail comments on the Nixon-Corfield story are ‘if this was a bloke, they would’ve gone to prison’ but that’s just not true. Sadly.

A google search for ‘Councillor indecent images’ brings up cases from as far north as Perth in Scotland and as far south as Bognor Regis.

I was mistaken about the primary school teacher/Tory councillor from Trafford though - he did receive a prison sentence - www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/matthew-sephton-richard-willis-jailed-14208825

Paedos are everywhere.

I’m glad MCR roller derby are now looking into safeguarding courses and DBS checks etc. All hobbies/activities with voluntary staff need to consider the same. Not that it would prevent this particular case.

Paedos are everywhere.

The Home Secretary recently said that the National Crime Agency says there are at least 80,000 people in the UK who present some kind of sexual threat to children online.

There are 66,000 paedophiles on the sex offenders register at November 2017 and 14,000 who have been arrested, are under investigation or have been convicted of child sex crimes since then.

One might ask why there is a push to dilute, rather than strengthen, child safeguarding in this country.

No one is getting custodial sentences for anything at the moment. Other political issues are overshadowing this but it’s an easy time to be any kind of criminal.
A former colleague was heavily involved in sexual abuse legislation and prosecutions. His attitude was always that there was the abuser at the centre and then rings of people who helped the abuser with some knowledge of what the abuser was doing. Often these people were women. My feeling is that the abusers need locked away permanently, there’s no rehabilitation for that kind of mind. But those that aid and abet need strong sentences to solidify in the public’s mind that you do not want to be the thin end of the wedge.
But while there’s no money to investigate let alone sentence never mind support the victims we will continue with this kind of relaxation.