something encouraging in the papers today

lucydo · 2018-12-08T13:47:46+00:00

The FT devoted today's colour supplement to the women of 2018. And all of them were women! And very interesting women as well. Yes, I know it sounds like nothing much, but The Guardian would have shoehorned in some TW.

HumourlessFeminist · 08/12/2018 13:54

😄

teawamutu · 08/12/2018 13:58

Got to take those silver linings where you find them.

Katvonblackdeath · 08/12/2018 14:07

Yey!

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 08/12/2018 14:09

Every single one - are you sure? Wow that’s an achieve that these days!

SlowlyShrinking · 08/12/2018 14:10

I can hardly believe this tbh. Are you sure there are no tw on the list, op? Sad though it is that it’s even a question to be asked

KatKit16 · 09/12/2018 07:00

TW?

PyeWackets · 09/12/2018 07:08

It's amazing that we now celebrate a list of women being all women...but there we are. Great news!

DisrespectfulAdultFemale · 09/12/2018 07:15

Really? Real women? With vulvas and vaginas and xx chromosomes?

Perhaps the FT learnt its lesson after Pips Bunce.

rightreckoner · 09/12/2018 08:51

I have some news on this actually. I wrote to the editor of the FT asking why, if Philip Bunce has been excluded from the LGBT list for his ‘sad terf’ comment, he was allowed to remain on the women’s list.

I got a letter back just yesterday saying that they didn’t want their disquiet over his language to detract from their commitment to allowing people to identify as whatever they like [I’m letting that pass for now although I could go on for hours about that] but that they were concerned about poor judging standards at the last awards and had ceased working with the group concerned (basically an LGBT recruitment consultant who put all the men’s names forward )

So I think that is good news. I’m going to write back saying that although I raised it, I’m actually less offended by the TERF slur than by the idea if womanface equating to woman. I might also point the editor towards the excellent Helen Joyce piece and see if professional rivalry will prompt him to do further research.

I’ll take the current feature of all women as good news too

Yeahnahyeah · 09/12/2018 08:56

How farking weird is it that I am thrilled that a Women Of Today article showcases.,.. women.

WrathofbubonicKlop · 09/12/2018 09:07

Women of 2018 and I'm studying the list to identify who has been cheating.
Yes, it has really come to this.

I feel like I've aligned myself with the sports anti doping group, WADA.

BernardBlacksWineIcelolly · 09/12/2018 09:15

Bloody hell. The FT actually understands what a woman is? well done them

so sad that this counts as a brave position

CisMyArse · 09/12/2018 09:17

Incredible that we're even moved by this.

rightreckoner · 09/12/2018 10:10

If I get a chance I will post the letter I received - need to black out details first. I think they are getting it - though it refers to our dear friend Pips as he/she .

Someone needs to do some investigative journalism on Stonewall. How Aimee Challoner et al are fit and proper people to be advising a regulated body I cannot imagine. It’s not the FT’s usual beat but Stonewall is the darling is the corporate world and there’s a lot of money sloshing about there. It’s clearly the new Kids Company for anyone who chooses to look. Might drop that into my reply.

Alicethroughtheblackmirror · 09/12/2018 10:35

Well done rightreckoner!

Ereshkigal · 09/12/2018 11:06

Someone needs to do some investigative journalism on Stonewall. How Aimee Challoner et al are fit and proper people to be advising a regulated body I cannot imagine. It’s not the FT’s usual beat but Stonewall is the darling is the corporate world and there’s a lot of money sloshing about there. It’s clearly the new Kids Company for anyone who chooses to look. Might drop that into my reply.

Totally agree. I think sooner or later someone will be brave enough.

Badstyley · 09/12/2018 11:16

2018, the year where a national newspaper is congratulated for knowing what a woman is...

Yes, please please can a brave, determined journo have a good long look at Stonewall. Get your can opener, and expect worms. A lot of worms.

PyeWackets · 09/12/2018 12:41

Stonewall now appears to be anti homosexual, they are promoting gender over sex. How did that happen? When? Why are they the go to body to advise schools and organisations?

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lucydo · 09/12/2018 12:48

thanks rightreckoner, that's interesting

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Racecardriver · 09/12/2018 12:52

The FT is the only paper I can tolerate these days. They’re a no nonsense bunch. It’s hardly surprising that their list has come out apparently all female. The law of averages would predict it really.

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lucydo · 09/12/2018 13:05

I agree about the FT. I get it on a Saturday, and read all the way through until the next Saturday. Excellent journalism, with very little bias (as far as I can see). Plus some great women writing in it.
(I used to read the Guardian, which I wouldn't touch now)

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rightreckoner · 09/12/2018 13:36

I think that’s a good point racecar. The idea that a list of 100 women would naturally include three Transwomen is statistically next to impossible. Still less three Transwomen who legally (if not truthfully) count as women by virtue of having a GRC. If they don’t have a GRC I’m not obliged to call them women and the FT could have logically excluded them.

So of course this lot are not women and did not fetch up there by virtue of their good efforts as women in business.

By the way MNHQ don’t delete me for this - the two names in the list that I know anything about flit between being male and female at their pleasure so I’ve chosen to talk about them as men.

The numbers alone ought to have alerted someone with an eye for stats that something was seriously awry - either with their process or with the undue influence this group seem to have.