Joan Collins' Transgender Moment

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Article in the Mail dailym.ai/2E51zbt reporting one in the Spectator.

Not sure if I can access the first, but it sounds pretty logical. Aged 15 she had a period of not wanting to grow up and of rejecting feminity. Then she discovered boys.

She also worries about PCness.

Found the origional article

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.spectator.co.uk/2018/12/joan-collins-my-own-transgender-moment/amp

Not the greatest of articles, but she describes a teenage rejection of feminity and objects to the loss of the word 'woman'.

Go Joan...

Loved her in parenthesis comment 'can I say that'? on the ever slippery slope of gender identification. When I clicked on the article by the way it popped up with a re-direction notice, along the lines of 'this page is trying to send you to this url - do you want to continue, or go back to previous page'. Does anyone know why that would happen?

I heard her when she said all of that on Woman's Hour. She was quite matter of fact about it, it made perfect sense! She should be herd by more people.

I have an inkling Joanna Lumley has said something similar!

Yes, I heard it on Women's Hour and raised a quizzical eyebrow then! Quite satisfying

I went around in a shirt, tie and trousers for a few months in my teens. It’s a totally normal phase of development.

I like her parentheses. It illustrate succinctly how it becomes so difficult to say what you mean when you lose the basic words to describe what is happening.

Otepoti - my guess is that it is a google link.

On another thread, someone said that one trick when looking for FT articles without a subscription is to search via Google. I don't know if this holds true of the Speccie, but doing that way I did not have to log in for my complementary articles. (Memo to self - DH would love a Speccie subscripton for Christmas...indeed I think I saw an ad saying the purchaser gets a free bottle of Champers. All win.)

It’s a totally normal phase of development. but we need people like Joan C to say this. There are (publically funded) organisations out there who would be steering a teenage JC to binders and hormones, with schools briefed not to challenge.

I wonder how Joan Collins would react to being called a TERF?

extract from the article by Joan Collins:

"A very famous actor known for his extremely liberal views was quoted recently as saying he was fed up of being told by his PR representatives: ‘You can’t say that, it’s politically incorrect.’ May I join the queue of people who side with this sentiment? Watching a popular dance show on TV alongside a young female person (is that OK?), I referred to a woman (can I say that?) who was performing rather badly as ‘the girl in the pink dress’. ‘You can’t say that,’ the teenager squeaked indignantly. ‘It’s sexist and incorrect.’ ‘What should I say?’ I asked. ‘The individual in the pink dress,’ she replied. ‘We can’t assume how she identifies.’

This reminded me of my own potential transgender moment. At 15 I decided I did not like the idea of becoming a woman and started on a ‘tomboy’ stage. I eschewed my mother’s girdles, suspender belts and slips, and adopted my father’s corduroy slacks and loose shirts. I also took to accompanying him to Arsenal games, where I would wave my ratchet furiously. Luckily this all stopped a few months later when I was accepted at Rada and discovered the joy of boys (wait, can I say that?).

At a glamorous Mayfair party, a ‘person of the to-all-outward-appearances female persuasion’ (or ‘woman’ as they used to be called) pushed through the throng to excitedly inform me that she had never missed an episode of Dynasty. ‘I love it,’ she exclaimed. ‘It stood for everything I hated.’ For once, I was struck dumb."

I'm starting to think this is quite common! I always felt so alone when I struggled with it. Wish I'd known them how many girls/women this affects

Is it really surprising how many women it affects? We are squeezed into such a small box is it any surprise teenage girls try and escape it for as long as possible. Teenagers are the ones who are exposed to the most sexual harassment and are least able to cope with it because it's still new.

I remember trying on my dad's suit top. I absolutely rejected anything feminine. I hated my body. I felt any comment from a man was a piss take.

And then I changed.

It does seem very very common