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Arghhh! What did I just listen to?!?

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Feministme · 02/12/2018 12:26

Listening to podcasts and doing the housework.... Thought I was going to be listening to Meaghan Murphy but ended up listening to some young woke Canadian intersectional feminist women calling her misogynist of the week "she, like, literally doesnt think transwomen are women. Omigod it's just wild".

Anyway if anyone wants to share my pain you can listen to it. It's quite interesting (and depressing) in terms of a window into their thoughts.

It helps if you imagine Magdelen Burns giving a counter commentary

twitter.com/badandbitchy/status/1068462885565739013?s=19

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QuackPorridgeBacon · 02/12/2018 12:32

I think I would probably smash my phone if I listened to such tripe. I’m so angry and bored of their stupidity now, that anything promoting trans women being women just pisses me off. Reading it isn’t too bad but listening? I’d have smoke coming out of ears lol

greycloudblackbird · 02/12/2018 12:36

Yeah, quack,don't listen. I am a few minutes in and they are laughing, saying, 'Terfs don't understand what gender is. They, like, think sex is gender. That's what they think.'

See, I had a boss who said, 'I don't mind people disagreeing with me, but I do object to lazy thinking'. There cannot be more lazy thinking then not even bothering to understand the most basic positions of those you are disagreeing with. I have no respect for that.

OldCrone · 02/12/2018 12:44

They, like, think sex is gender.

Which just goes to show that they haven't listened to anything we're saying. Why doesn't that surprise me?

There cannot be more lazy thinking then not even bothering to understand the most basic positions of those you are disagreeing with.

Exactly.

donquixotedelamancha · 02/12/2018 13:02

Oh dear God. The constant 'heh, heh-heh, huh', 'um....' and 'like.....' is annoying. If you removed all the pauses and stupid noises this would be half the length. It's like listenting to a female beavis and buthead.

'I don't know if I would say twitter is the place for ideas' in explaining why Meghan shouldn't expect to be able to have opinions.

On the plus side, because they read Megan's posts and are so pathetic in arguing against them, they do a pretty good job of making her case.

QuackPorridgeBacon · 02/12/2018 13:18

Yeah, quack,don't listen. I am a few minutes in and they are laughing, saying, 'Terfs don't understand what gender is. They, like, think sex is gender. That's what they think.'

But, that’s exactly what they are doing. I can’t take this stupidity anymore. How can they not see what they are saying? They are saying gender means your body is wrong and you need to change it to match up, they deny that sex is wether they are male or female, they believe it’s based on feels and stereotypes forced on us by society and oppressive roles. We, on the other hand believe that gender is bullshit, your sex is what it is and anyone should be able to dress and love who they like without having surgery and lifelong medications and loss of fertility to be themselves. Transing children makes me feel sick and I’m appalled they aren’t done for child abuse. I nearly had my child taken because they seen a 1/2mm blue mark on my two day old babies body. It turns out to be a dilated vein. They accused me of all sorts, told me I had dropped or punched my baby on their head and made her have so many tests unnecessarily. I had to live in the hospital and only was allowed tos Ray because I was breastfeeding, put her on the protection list for three months before realising they were wrong, stressed me out to the point my milk dried up and made me live with another adult as I couldn’t be trusted. Then, when I fell pregnant again I was reported instantly and they wanted to open another case, even though the first was closed and they were wrong. They also tried to take my second off me while she was recovering from transplant in a hospital, all because I was a few minutes late (wasn’t really as I knew there was a 30 minute window either side for giving meds) because my other child was having trouble with me leaving, she barely seen us and we even left her with my mum for weeks to fly to another hospital, I had a social worker tell me she didn’t think I would put Ruby first at all times and she wouldn’t be safe with me. I cannot always put her first it would be detrimental to my other child but I would never risk her life. But, there are people that are putting their kids on untested medication, saying therms are the opposite sex, abusing them and beating them before then accepting and putting them on medication, how the fuck is that ok? Yet I nearly lost both my kids for bullshit reasons. How are these children not being protected?

I have ranted and probably outed myself but I just don’t care. Children should be protected, not experimented on.

greycloudblackbird · 02/12/2018 13:19

Yeah Don, I only got half way through but stopped listening because they weren't really saying anything. They read out some of Meghan's points, to lots of laughter and sighing, but no actual counter arguments.

It's kinda depressing that they think that counted as feminist discourse.

Anlaf · 02/12/2018 18:32

Christ they really don't know how to argue do they?

I mean that is what that is like, that's what they think right, it's wild, these people are out there.

They read out Meghan's stuff in a contemptuous put on voice.

Also did one say problematic rape crisis centres?

clicky to their site www.badandbitchy.com/

Ereshkigal · 02/12/2018 18:35

I mean that is what that is like, that's what they think right, it's wild, these people are out there.

Two words. Echo chamber.

Idiots.

Anlaf · 02/12/2018 18:48

But thanks for posting - it's really worth a listen. What I worry about is that they go to great pains to avoid engaging with what Meghan's actually said.

GraceTheDisgrace · 02/12/2018 20:36

I'm halfway through.

The vocal fry alone makes this unbearable to listen to. I don't know when I've heard anything less articulate in years. I'm in physical pain. I am not going to make it all the way to the end.

KindOfAGeek · 02/12/2018 21:52

Tech savvy M/TRA's are trying to censor Meghan by imping her, and claiming her events have been cancelled when they have not been.

Meghan, if she has a good lawyer, probably has a good court case.

Badgerthebodger · 03/12/2018 00:06

Quack firstly I’ve also been threatened (and thankfully only threatened as they never turned up) with social services over an injury DS gave himself hurtling along at toddler top speed. It is incredibly frightening. I know they are just doing their jobs, I know doctors need to report it but my god, what you have been out through is unforgivable on top of an unwell child. They ought to apologise to you then fuck the fuck off.

Secondly, yes transing children is child abuse . I keep saying it, all over here and twitter and real life. I cannot believe that normal growing up injuries are interrogated and parents are split up from their frightened baby while they are questioned. I’m not social worker bashing. It’s just that when they’re wrong they don’t seem able to back off. Anyway. How is it that people are suddenly A-Ok using kids as guinea pigs and giving out untested drugs?

“Reversible” blockers are absolute bullshit as far as I can see. Why are we ok with sterilising children? Fucking with their future ability to feel any pleasure or orgasm? Committing them to a lifetime of medication and who knows what side effects.

Every time I think about it it breaks my heart. All these beautiful girls and boys destroying their lovely healthy bodies, encouraged and celebrated all the way by the adults who should know better and BE better by standing against it instead of blindly following the cult. It is an absolute fucking disgrace.

Badgerthebodger · 03/12/2018 00:07

sorry that was a bit of a derail. Meghan is an absolute shero, I hope she gets a fantastic GC turnout to support her

AngryAttackKittens · 03/12/2018 08:17

Also did one say problematic rape crisis centres?

They really do have all the self awareness of a toadstool, don't they? No realization at all of how eyebrow raising that sounds to anyone not already fully indoctrinated.

deepwatersolo · 03/12/2018 10:39

Jesus Christ, these people do not understand the nature and function of 'gender'.

"How are transwomen not men. What's the difference between and man and a transwoman?"
"which like if you think about it for even just a little bit of a second, you can figure it out, right?"

THEN SPELL IT OUT FFS. WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE?

I just can't. The only way to file this under feminism is to buy into universal self-ID.

AngryAttackKittens · 03/12/2018 10:43

If someone is avoiding spelling something out then one tends to assume that it's because they can't. If they really believed transwomen weren't men and that the difference was clear they'd be able to explain why, and what the difference is.

NibblyPig · 03/12/2018 10:47

I'm sure you can leave some feedback for them on the various podcast platforms

MorrisZapp · 03/12/2018 10:58

There was some muppet on Fearne Cottons show last night promoting her book about feminism. She said feminism is thinking everyone is equal and then droned on about intersectionality. Absolutely no robust discussion at all, it was as if she was talking about how nice mince pies are or something.

Feminism as a happy, smiley club for everyone.

QuackPorridgeBacon · 03/12/2018 11:10

Badgerthebodger Thank you. It was terrifying the first time but I thought with my second all would be ok. Obviously it wasn’t. It just annoys me so much that someone like me who loves their children for who they are and in fact had only one night of being a mother at home can almost lose their children. Yet there are articles where parents have admitted to beating the gay out of their children to then suddenly accepting them as the opposite sex, based on the damn toys they play with and no one says a fucking word to them. Susie green for instance, in her own talk she says she went straight to the doctor because her child was playing with toys stereotypically associated with girls. Her and her husband made it clear to their child he was wrong and now look, she even took him to another country to surgically sterilise and remove perfectly healthy body parts. Who fucking does that? It’s sick, it’s nasty and clearly the mum had munchausen by proxy and enjoyed the attention. She still gets off on it. Was her child taken? No, because abuse is ok when it suits the patriarchy. It’s all a bloody joke.

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