Universities for you and your children to boycott if you are pro women’s rights and want to avoid the excesses of trans ideology

[IdaBWells]

Goldsmiths

University of Sussex

Any others?

Northumbria Uni stuck up for free speech when Women's Place went there, I think?

We're not there yet in the Fogi household. However I am looking fun to having some fun at open days (I understand parents attend these now ) asking questions the will hopefully peak-trans other parents - it'll be interesting to hear how the universities respond trying to balance sounding like a sensible institution to spend thousands of pounds on per year at the same time as spouting the current politically correct "right think".

Salford University has Tara Hewitt delivering training on "Gender and Indentity" to all it's staff.

It’s hard to tell. My uni has a student union that’s quite woke but although there are a couple of gender neutral loos the rest are very firmly single sex and my humanities lecturer is very clear that she’s a feminist and from hints she has dropped I think she’s GC. And I know some people other than me distributes FPW material too. So I think many are more sensible than you expect.

But I would avoid Goldsmiths!

Check policies on websites, are they using sex/gender correctly? If not email and challenge. Do this for anywhere your children are or are considering going. Make it clear that you are paying/contributing to fees and that them upholding single sex spaces/acknowledging sex as a protected characteristic is a deal breaker.

Sorry, but this isn't remotely realistic. No parent is going to try to tell a university 'anywhere your children are' (so, a young adult part way through their studies) that faults in their policy is a 'deal breaker'. What would you mean by that - that you wouldn't cough up your parental contribution to their living expenses?

“Stay out of the humanities. Get a STEM degree. The world needs more women in STEM anyway.”

My History and Politics degree is entirely free of “feelings”-and I’m at a university that thinks it’s woke. I’m fed up of the humanities and social sciences not being taken seriously.

We are not all cut out for hard sciences.

I hope I'm not derailing, but here's something that just occurred to me:

I finished my 2nd master's in 2012, and I vividly remember a whole range on London universities having issues with islamist ISOCs at the time I was studying for it. There were definitely issues around some of them holding events with sex-segregated seating, women increasingly taking up the full niqab, some extremely dodgy speakers being invited to give talks and a whole host of similar issues.

I vividly remember going into a toilet facility near a payer room at some point and being asked to go use the one in the other wing as this was apparently the 'Muslim' bathroom (yes, they were pretty emboldened back then). And while I'm quite visibly an unlikely Muslim visually, I'm equally obviously a biological female and didn't pose a physical threat. In fact, it was me who felt intimidated into compliance. Others I know and have studied with have reported similar things about that time.

Somehow, I can't quite see these people being fine with towering bearded women in fishnets in 2018 when they apparently really weren't with a tiny, obviously biologically female blonde in 2012. It's been less than a decade.

Have these guys simply gone away then? They seemed omnipresent in my memory and certainly unwilling to pack their bags and leave quietly. If not, how do ideological stances like these co-exist?

If the crazy islamists have simply vanished, I believe it might be a good thing, really - not only because ... well, they were crazy islamists and some of them actual jihadis, but also because it suggests that these kinds of movements at universities may very much be a passing phase.

If they haven't, though, I'm really intrigued by how this is playing into each other, with the super-woke types.

Sorry, but this isn't remotely realistic. No parent is going to try to tell a university 'anywhere your children are' (so, a young adult part way through their studies) that faults in their policy is a 'deal breaker'. What would you mean by that - that you wouldn't cough up your parental contribution to their living expenses? confused

Many parents are paying tuition fees these days. It is a growing problem at university’s that they’re having to deal with ‘helicopter parents’ since the introduction of fees. University’s are hearing a lot from parents these days (I disagree with it, but that’s by the by), they can start hearing from us about this. They can also start hearing from parents can they guarantee their daughters won’t be presented with a spunk beer mat if they send them there.

They also need to be hearing from the parents of international students from cultures where single sex spaces are essential.

TRAs did a similar list a while ago. Just apply their list in reverse?

From what I've seen it's mostly a few academics and/or student groups at the universities who advocate the trans ideology - it should be possible to attend them without paying any attention to any of it.

That said, from personal experience, parts of KCL's social sciences department is steeped in it, with guest lectures from Gendered Intelligence teaching about 'cis privilege' and asking students to explain what makes them male or female without mentioning biology.

No trace of it at London Metropolitan when I was there a few years ago, and my classmates (all but two!) hearteningly agreed that no-platforming was never a good idea and that even ideas they thoroughly disagreed with should be expressed and debated. Mainly working-class students there, with a large Muslim student community who I am guessing would not be happy with mixed-sex facilities.

I'm currently trying to move from social sciences into history. I do think historians are more likely to be immune to all this, if only because the argument that women were historically oppressed because of how they identified and not because of their sex is so obviously nonsensical. (Not the reason for my move, but a nice bonus!)

Although I would avoid SOAS as it's full of woke shite of every discription. Anti globalisation, but they all smoke. Sponge off the Hari Krishna food cart every day.

I'm doing a distance learning masters with SOAS, but I've never been to the actual campus. It always seemed like a great university.

Northumbria Uni stuck up for free speech when Women's Place went there, I think?

I did my first degree at Northumbria and went to this meeting and yes, they did stick up for it. As an aside, Newcastle Irish Centre is also a great ally.

I'm sorry, I was meant to say that it's therefore disappointing that SOAS is betraying women

SOAS is well regarded as a Uni, I just mean the students are a bit of a joke among those of the neighbouring Bloomsbury colleges. It had the reputation for years that the bar was full of drug dealers and you could buy any chemical you liked in there, until they installed turnstiles and security. The druggy reputation again conflicts with their idea of themselves as woke and ethical.

There used to be a funny Facebook page called Overheard in SOAS, with all kinds of politically correct hilarity on it, not sure if it still exists.

Mimmymum, you should join in on here. Once you've finished supporting Webberley of course.

Forgot to come back to this thread! Well I have a kid off to Uni next year, she is intelligent and the best way we have felt to prepare her is to discuss all these different ideas and ideologies and where they have come from in advance, so they are not new to her and she is able to critique them and know they are just a POV not gospel. The current transideology that claims that transwomen are no different from biological women is very much influenced by ideas that developed in academia. Unfortunately, so much is presented to young people these days as a “given” when it comes to this issue when in fact the majority of people do not agree with or believe these arguments .

I do agree it is almost impossible to escape these irrational ideologies, however some unis are better at making sure that different viewpoints are heard and respected rather than having a party line. My own mother graduated from Goldsmiths and I appreciate that the student body is much more diverse than is reflected in the arguments in MN with small groups of students. Unfortunately Goldsmiths also has at least one professor that actively undermines and attempts to harass colleagues and academics at other unis around the U.K. Those that are targeted are almost always female academics and I definitely would discourage my children or anyone else from attending if Goldsmiths was not unequivocally condemning this behaviour.

Nowadays university is a huge financial commitment and often parents are helping to ease the financial burden. So of course we want to know that our kids are getting a decent level of education and are not being indoctrinated and brainwashed to believe ideas that are actually detrimental to women and children.

A year ago I was taking a class for an MA degree and on the paperwork I saw the professor had “preferred pronouns”. At the time I brushed over it but now I would definitely meet with the female professor privately and discuss these issues with her. It’s important not to let these language changes creep in without being challenged.