Mail online criticises Manchester MORF charity for distributing binders to young teens

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A detailed article with quotes from David Davies MP.

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Apparently binders are sent to young teenagers in plain packaging behind parents backs. The health implications sound horrific. Where is acknowledgement of parents safeguarding responsibilities?

This is appalling. They sent something out to a child that could potentially cause them life long medical problems knowing absolutely nothing about the individual. The fact that the person they sent it to was lying about who they were proves the point that they have no idea what effective safeguarding is. And now they are covering up their own blatant failings by dressing it up as them being victims of prejudice and hatred. They’re relying on most liberal-minded people’s antipathy for the DM to hide their irresponsible behaviour.

Where does this bloody ‘48% of young trans people have attempted suicide’ come from.

Mermaids lied about the results from a survey. 27 of the 2,000+ L,G,B or T young people who decided to complete the survey identified as trans & were under 26. 16 of these had attempted suicide.

Mermaids simply present this as 'Out of a survey of more than 2,000 transpeople, 48% attempted suicide.'

From their own website:

Tips for Safe Binding

Get used to your new binder before you go out in it.
Always wear the right size for you.
Always take your binder off if you are in pain or cannot breathe easily.
Stretch and take a few deep breaths after taking off your binder.
Never sleep in a binder.
If exercising in a binder wear a looser fitting one, sports bra or compression top.
Never bind for more than 8 hours in a row.
Never bind using tape or bandages.
Never wear more than one binder at the same time.
Drink plenty of water on hot days if binding.
Take regular breaks if possible

Unsafe binding can cause:

Pain
Breathing difficulties
Cracked ribs
Blisters
Bruising
Nerve damage
Torn skin
Poor skin healing for surgery

If you notice anything unusual or pain/discomfort, please go to see your GP or in an emergency go to your local A+E.

For general medical advice outside GP hours please call 111.

morf.org.uk/binder-scheme/

Just like a sports bra, my arse.

Jesus what a list of horrible side effects. I wonder the Department of Health have to say about this info? Does it have their information standard approval?

Even Barry the new guy knew full well how dangerous binders are because he advised what he thought was a 13 year old child that she shouldn't exercise while wearing it.

So clearly not like a sports bra in any way.

Thanks to LemonJello for posting those screenshots. Am still puzzled as to why a primary school should be tweeting about this but presumably there is some woke person in charge of their social media account. I also think that schools, unfortunately, have swallowed the kool-aid good and proper on this. It amazes me how incredibly gullible teachers can be, given they're supposed to, you know, educating people. Anyone remember brain gym?

YouTube is probably the place to look if you want to find "Binder Giveaways". In the Canada and USA region, the main company behind it all seems to be GC2B, who sponsor YouTubers like Chase Ross to promote their product. Chase, known on YT as UPPERCASEchase1, is sponsored by GC2B who provides binders, and sex shop Early2Bed, who provides some 'packers' (pretend penises) and offers via Chase's affiliate links, discounts in their online store . Chase typically sends out around 30 breast binders per month and has done Christmas bonus comps sending out 100 binders to entrants around the world.

Last month Chase specified that the giveaway was for youth only. Entrants had to be under 18. The application form has no requirement that applicants have parental/guardian permission, and in fact Chase is well aware that many kids are doing this behind parent's back.

In UK, the company to look for is Spectrum, owned and run by 'trans guys', this company also sends free binders out via many UK 'trans guys' who also hold 'Giveaways' on YouTube.

Comment sections under transactivists' "Binder Giveaway" videos often have questions from kids, under 18, asking how discreet is the packaging, and how to receive without parents knowing, often with other commenters offering 'handy hints' on how to hide both receiving and wearing from parents. I've not seen the YTers discourage this.
In fact, I've never seen a "trans guy" YouTuber tell kids under 18 they must have parental permission, nor ask that they get checked by a doctor to make sure they're medically fit (ie not asthmatic, or with skeletal issues etc) to wear a binder.

Chest binders , or medical compression garments, were originally for post-operative surgical patients, to aid healing. Maybe it is just me, but I see them as medical devices, and I'd think the person using them needs to be medically fit, and capable of being responsible to use the binder according to instructions. I've seen many a teenager comment online about knowing she shouldn't wear her binder for more than 8 hrs, or sleep in it, yet doing so anyway, despite awful pain. I seriously think this is a duty of care issue re: YouTubers sending binders to kids age 12-18. I suspect there are already kids who've been put at medical risk, and I think it won't be too long before we see parents in the media voicing anger that their asthmatic kid had a medical crisis due to one of these people sending her a binder without their knowledge.

Even Barry the new guy knew full well how dangerous binders are because he advised what he thought was a 13 year old child that she shouldn't exercise while wearing it.

Exactly.

Sports bras are for doing exercise. The opposite of breast binders.

Liars.

I have emailed my MP and the DH to complain.

Rather than talk about 'hate' I wish Paul Martin would come on here, a parenting website, to explain their actions.

I know that amongst posters/lurkers there are parents who are very worried for their children. Suppprt should include engaging with parents, not going behind their backs.

It would be interesting to know how many staff / board members have experience in children and young people, or parenting. None of their (LGBT Foundation) staff seem to obviously have a young people remit in their job title as far as I can see.

Yup would be great if they put details of their safeguarding policy for children up on their website- if young girls are invited or allowed to come into the LGBTF office to try on breast binders..

This page says that people can contact the charity to ask to see the policy: lgbt.foundation/about-us/safeguarding-and-confidentiality

But why not just have it up on the site so it’s all transparent?

If your 13 year old needs to fitted for a bra then you the parent have to accompany them. They won't fit a child for a bra without a parent/guardian present.

This organisation invited a 13 year to attend alone a fitting for an item of intimate apparel and we are not supposed to express any concern or point out the safeguarding risks.

Who works for this organisation? Who would fit the binders to children? Have they DBS certificates at the very least?

Somebody on here a while ago made the very astute comment that what is going on is the creation of a group of children to whom normal safeguarding controls won't apply. This is very problematic.

They would struggle to have any policy designed for minors, as officially they say you have to be 18.

It clearly states that it is a service only for those aged over 18 and advises younger people to contact other groups that deal with children and teenagers

This organisation invited a 13 year to attend alone a fitting for an item of intimate apparel and we are not supposed to express any concern or point out the safeguarding risks.

Yes. It's batshit.

Not the LBGT Foundation again. They have a number of side-projects of dubious value.

Most of their money comes from local councils in Greater Manchester and the NHS Trusts. Save your money for the crisis in social care and in GP practices, Greater Manchester, unless you think you're getting value for money from the LBGT Foundation's Kink sessions in the gay village. (Exploring fetishes and kinks in a safe environment for better and safer sexual health? Yeah, right.)

Come on, councils and trusts - surely, this health charity needs looking at?

FFS.

Somebody on here a while ago made the very astute comment that what is going on is the creation of a group of children to whom normal safeguarding controls won't apply. This is very problematic.

With prepubescent physiology.
And eroded boundaries.

Nothing to see here, move along.

Will they be holding footbinding workshops next? A crippled hobble is so empowering I hear.

A truly remarkable and disturbing thread from a young person who purchased and used binders and packers:

I got my first binder in secret at age 15. A friend bought it for me. I figured since I was a B cup and my parents didn’t rly notice what I wore they wouldn’t notice....It’s impossible to not notice.
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When I say I’m so embarrassed I went to school like that...Like.... I will never get over how delusional I was for coming out to my whole school as a transman and then YKNOW LOOKING LIKE I JUST MAGICALLY GREW A DICK AS IF ANYONE WAS EVER LOOKING AT MY CROTCH?
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But I felt like it was something I HAD to do. Because trans guys do this right? And I wanted to be cool like the YouTube trans guys. They all make packer and binder review videos. It just felt like part of the package that comes with being a transman. [Entire thread is worth reading.]

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