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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

"Gendered" Insults

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lydiamajora · 25/11/2018 05:19

I put the title in scare quotes due to the fact that the connotations of the word "gender" have changed since I first heard the term, but "gendered insults" are those which rely on reference to sexed anatomy (ie, cunt, twat, bitch, dick, prick, etc).

I am one of those obnoxious people who cares way too much about words. I think they say a lot about us, even when (or hell, especially when) we do not intend them to. At the same time, I do not think the use of specific slurs is in and of itself indicative of underlying bigotry. In reality it seems to be a good indicator of societal - rather than personal - values.

The best way I have figured out to explain my own position is this:

I am an atheist. And yet, in the middle of the night, if I get up to visit the toilet and stub my toe on the corner of the nightstand, I have been known to emphatically swear "Goddammit!"

Not because I, secretly, in my heart of hearts, really do believe in a god, and that if I beseech him appropriately he will smite the offending piece of furniture. But because I have grown up in a culture of people who have religious beliefs and who use "goddammit" as one of the buffet of things you can say when you do something like kick a chair leg at o'dark-thirty in the morning while trying to go have a pee.

So my question is this: how do you feel about these kinds of insults?

I notice that some feminists on this board (and elsewhere) have a negative view on these slurs. Others use them fairly liberally (plenty of women calling people cunts and twats) while still holding feminist views.

Disclaimer: I am American, so my visceral reaction to the word cunt is pretty different from Europeans', though gay men seem to have made it their mission to "reclaim" slurs which were never theirs to begin with (with cunt being first and foremost) and are thereby increasing usage.

Not trying to be goady - I obviously have my own opinions, but I am interested to hear what others believe and why they believe it.

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EarlyWalker · 25/11/2018 09:19

Would you be able/willing to explain what your line is for some insult being misogynistic
It all depends on the context. I hear men and woman called cunts, twats, dicks, pricks, I don’t think they’re exclusively aimed at woman (or men) As I said the only one I hear exclusively for woman is ‘bitch’ and that’s often said between friends and not derogatory because she’s a woman.
My issue is with words that make someone seem inferior because of their sex, such as bossy (never referred to boys), bubbly (only woman also), diva etc.. and phrases like ‘man up’ ‘grow some balls’ that imply men are stronger than woman.
A lot of people use phrases or slurs without knowing the meaning. I often see people here refer to people as ‘drinking the kool aid’ which derives from the massacre at Johnstone, I don’t think people that use this phrase are making light of the death of nearly 1,000 people. It’s just a phrase that in modern day language is used and people use phrases without necessarily knowing the origin of them as they are so common in everyday language.

BertrandRussell · 26/11/2018 14:55

I don't think cunt is misogynist because of who it's aimed at-I think it's misogynist because of its history.

TeiTetua · 26/11/2018 15:20

On the other hand, you rarely hear a woman called "arsehole" or "bastard". Or is that just a load of bollocks?

lydiamajora · 27/11/2018 04:00

Teitetua - I make a point of having my go-to insult be "asshole", followed by "shitweasel" Grin regardless of sex.

I would have to agree with Bertrand, EarlyWalker - the recipient of the insult is not what determines offensivness, to me. The word "faggot" in the US is used against mostly heterosexual men; that doesn't make it not homophobic. Same with the word "dyke".

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lydiamajora · 27/11/2018 04:04

EarlyWalker - I meant to add, I agree that people often use words in ignorance or apathy of the original/root meaning, which is why I do my best to reserve judgment about someone's character based on the obscenities they use.

Still, I do think it is indicative of cultural misogyny that so many of our put-downs are related to being compared to a woman or her genitals, no matter who they are aimed at.

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Danaquestionseverything · 27/11/2018 04:37

Here in Oz cunt has some strange usage. It's almost a term of affection between male friends e.g. "Hey, cunt, long time no see" (accompanied by manly hugs). Whereas "mate" can be used aggressively. It all depends on the tone of conversation.

I used to be hugely offended when someone used "the C word" but over time have just shrugged it off. Perhaps because I spent a lot of time around tradies, who though fling it about among themselves with great abandon are quick to step in if someone uses it to refer to a girl/woman. I have used it myself when totally pissed off, the fact that I do is usually a signal shit's about to hit the fan.

One word that is really gross (70's throwback) is moot. Ugh what a horrendous word. A tradie we know has a decal on the back of his ute that reads " Diesel soot gets the moot". Can you believe that?
DH was telling me about it and was just disgusted. He and a few friends were like "Mate, (see above usage) the 70's called and want their chauvinism back". More disgusting is this guy (at the time) had a pregnant fiancée. Imagine how she must have felt. Ugh.

lydiamajora · 27/11/2018 04:47

... I have literally never heard the word "moot" before (other than as in "moot point"). I mean, I have fingers and can Google, but beyond actually looking it up I would have no idea what someone who used it was talking about!

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Danaquestionseverything · 27/11/2018 05:08

It's a nasty slang word for vagina. Was used in the 70's, thought had died out. Looks like some bogan idiots are trying to revive it.

Bogan = Oz version of trailer trash (sans trailers).
Not sure of UK equivalent.

I better quit while I'm ahead. I could be here all night if I attempt to translate Aussie slang., besides DS2 just back from school.

MrsTerryPratcett · 27/11/2018 05:21

It's a mixture of history, usage and intent. A friend in the UK saying "alright cunt?" might be problematic WRT history but not usage or intent.

However I've had men mutter things like "bitches better be careful" at my all female team (nights in a pretty dodgy environment) and known it was meant to intimidate, shock and scare us. And put us in our place. Pure misogyny, albeit a less 'serious' word.

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