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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

No wonder there are so many woke students

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welshbookworm · 24/11/2018 20:04

This is by a professor at my old university. Sigh...

conatusnews.com/how-queer-theory-became-university-policy/

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Bittermints · 24/11/2018 20:10

When an undergraduate—previously diagnosed with depression—at the Royal Central School for Speech and Drama decided that she was a man, the School paid for mentoring by Gendered Intelligence. (A professor at the School is a trustee of the company and Stewart’s partner.) The mentor researched surgeons who offered elective mastectomy. ‘Surgery will affect sex in many ways’, advises Gendered Intelligence, ‘but the most noticeable effect is a boost in body confidence.’

This is dreadful. Thanks for the link, welshbookworm.

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Bittermints · 24/11/2018 20:11

What!

‘If a trans person informs a staff member that a word or phrasing is inappropriate or offensive,’ warns University College London, ‘then that staff member should take their word for it, and adjust their phraseology accordingly.’

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Wrathofjurgenklop · 24/11/2018 20:18

A few more names in the ever growing list of people involved in changing policies and therefore eroding women's rights.
Sigh.

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donquixotedelamancha · 24/11/2018 20:41

The leaflet produced by GI which is referenced in the article is truly terrifying. It's like some kind of parody:

Being comfortable in your own body often involves much more than acceptance..... the best way to do this involves masturbating.

Surgery will affect sex in many ways but the most noticeable effect is a boost in body confidence.

ultimately you will be better off arguing for your identity than settling for a female role.

A woman is still a woman, even if she enjoys getting blow jobs. A man is still a man, even if he likes getting penetrated vaginally

cdn0.genderedintelligence.co.uk/2012/11/17/17-14-04-GI-sexual-health-booklet.pdf

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WSPU · 24/11/2018 20:49

Such a good piece and terrifying too. How can that be actual university policy?

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Bittermints · 24/11/2018 20:54

Is it a case of asking Gendered Intelligence for a template and nobody actually reading it before it was rubberstamped?

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gendercritter · 24/11/2018 20:59

That's made my blood run cold.

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Voice0fReason · 24/11/2018 21:06

No woman has ever received a blow job.

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BlackForestCake · 24/11/2018 21:11

I keep asking myself when this bilge became the state religion?

Societies where people are obliged to affirm things they know are not true are called totalitarian.

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OlennasWimple · 24/11/2018 21:20

Nothing boosts body confidence like massive, permanent scars in prominent places on one's body, eh? Hmm

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AspieAndProud · 24/11/2018 21:47

Surgery will affect sex in many ways but the most noticeable effect is a boost in body confidence.

The most noticeable effect is that you no longer have sex organs, you have done parody of the sex organs of the opposite sex.

Who’s confidence is boosted by telling your partner to hang on a moment while you squeeze your ballbag to pump up your penis?

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PebbleDashed · 24/11/2018 21:56

ultimately you will be better off arguing for your identity than settling for a female role.

Openly classifying female as inferior, and calling an inferior role the female.

So no sexism then. Isn't this illegal?

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concretesieve · 24/11/2018 21:59

And the arrogant little expletives don't even seem to know the bleeding difference between 'biannual' and 'biennial'.

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Serfisafleur · 24/11/2018 22:43

Truly disturbing.

Our next generation is fucked.

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DeRigueurMortis · 24/11/2018 22:55

No - I don't think our next generation is fucked.

I do think there's a very vocal woke sub set who have hijacked the concept of safe spaces to subjugate free (not hate) speech.

What's important imho is to keep challenging the no debate narrative and allow students the opportunity to reach their own conclusions.

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littlbrowndog · 24/11/2018 23:16

Omg women getting blow jobs and men getting erm fucked vaginlly
Am quite sur3 every student is like wtaf
And do the exact opposite🥶🥺🥺
Ffs stupid arse whoverer wrote this in their basement of silly fantasies
Sad bastard

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DragonFire99 · 24/11/2018 23:25

It’s parody. The piece is mocking the decisions that have been taken, not agreeing with them.

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MIdgebabe · 24/11/2018 23:46

The surgery comments have recalled a recurrent teenage nightmare of mine, of a ruler who would chop off your breast and display them, he had a room full of women’s breasts on display.

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WSPU · 24/11/2018 23:50

Michael Briggs is GC.

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Materialist · 25/11/2018 00:23

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R0wantrees · 25/11/2018 00:30
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stumbledin · 25/11/2018 01:02

Its good that someone at Oxford (or any university) is prepared to write about this.

But it isn't anything new. But has now reached increasing influence after 40 years by inflitratin arenas of influence.

Queer politics was part of the backlash against the achievements of Women's Liberation. Despite what had seemed acceptance of autonomous women's organising and challenging the male status quo eg through Women Studies, but within a decade this was eroded by queer analysis promoting "Gender" studies rather than women's studies.

Many of the students who attend universities in the 80s (and onwards) were recruited into this concept and are now in position of influence. eg a recent (female) editor at the Guardian was proud to say that queer politics influenced all her decisions. (So it is not surprising that so many feminists, prior, to the recent domination of trans politics, were routinely censored from Guardian comment items because they had a woman centred analysis ie 5-10 years ago).

Another victory for queer politics was getting the NUJ / journalists and reporters to stop using the word sex and substituting gender, (and also stop referring to prostitution and instead sex work). So it is no wonder that not just this current generation of students but their older siblings and possibly parents have grown genuinely thinking there is no difference. (And imply it is only old, old fashioned feminists that dont understand because they / we haven't "moved with the times")

And it was more than a few years ago that a leading member of LBGT groups in the state said (and again this was a woman) that her aim was to create a movement that had trans as it core, and everything else would be a subset of that.

This pervading influence from universities and the media, worked hand in hand with the mainstream male backlash of for instance lad culture, feminism mutated into ladettes, and hollywood and fashion re-inforcing gender stereotyping in clothes etc., a direct counter to the gender benders of 70s.

Feminism, and specifically Women's Liberation, was left as isolated islands in a tsunami anti women culture, to over turn the concpet of women as a sex class that is opressed by the male sex class.

Trans politics is the cumulative victory of queer politics in not just erasing the concept of autonomous women thinking and working for themselves and other women, but effectively wome. Angry

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R0wantrees · 25/11/2018 01:11

Michael Briggs is GC.

Michael Biggs. Associate Professor in Sociology and Fellow of St Cross College wrote the following article after Woman's Place UK meeting in Oxford :

//users.ox.ac.uk/~sfos0060/FreeSpeechOxford.pdf

'Free speech at Oxford: Do women have the right to meet to discuss legislation?'
(extract)
"A meeting was held on 25 April 2018 to discuss proposed changes to the law on gender recognition. The proposed legislation will eliminate sex-segregated spaces and activities, from women’s refuges to competitive sports. In a democracy, people have the right to meet to discuss—and indeed oppose—legislative changes. This should be incontrovertible. I am appalled that a small number of students at Oxford used extreme measures to stop this meeting from being held.... "

he concluded:
"I have entered this debate not because I am a feminist but because freedom of speech is one of the highest values of a democratic society, and the basic foundation of university life.
Transgender activism poses a grave threat to freedom of speech. I think of the young MPhil student who had to disguise herself to attend this meeting because she feared the reaction of fellow students. This is the generation that we have educated."

threads:
//www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3257819-Michael-Biggs-Sociology-Dept-Oxford-Free-speech-at-Oxford-Do-women-have-the-right-to-meet-to-discuss-legislation

//www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3260270-Michael-Biggs-Oxford-Sociology-dept-The-Open-Society-Foundations-the-transgender-movement-incl-comparison-with-funding-for-women

He was recently 'doxxed' and complaints made against him to the university:
//www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3406042-Oxford-Student-newspaper-doxes-Twitter-account-by-possible-criminal-unauthorised-use-of-a-comptuer-system

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R0wantrees · 25/11/2018 16:42

Current thread discussing article by one of the student protesters from the Jam Jar Bristol, 'We Need to Talk' meeting. They were interviewed in the Channel 4 documentary by Stella O'Malley:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3433667-I-was-one-of-the-transactivists-on-the-channel-4-documentary-I-regret-what-I-did-this-is-why


www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3430608-Stella-OMalley-Trans-Kids-Its-Time-To-Talk

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