I Don’t Want to Talk About Trans Any More

[ToeCleavage]

As in, I’m just so fucking bored with it.

By which I don’t mean it’s not relevant or important that we debate these issues.

Just that they have - even negatively- infiltrated our spaces in every way possible. Even what we talk about.

What the fuck? Where will it all end?

Safeguarding and children
Safeguarding and children.
This is the group that is being weaponised with trans groups actively targeting children in schools to peddle this rubbish to. Whenever I am exhausted by it all ( and that happens a lot) I just go and take a look at the gaslighting materials that some trans groups are using and the online stuff aimed at teenagers - and I know we have no alternative.
So not only are we fighting for women's rights we are battling a self centred MRA movement cynically targeting children.
It's exhausting but knowing that parents don't realise the extent of what is happening makes me realise that we have to KOKO.

We're ordinary, grass-roots, worried & angry women, from a wide range of backgrounds, who got involved because we saw the need to do something.

@Empress, thank you for all you do. (I meant to say this earlier but hangover brain.)

You’re right, of course, @BearingUpNicely. And I’m sorry for what you’ve been through.

Completely agree, Toe. These days I couldn’t give a shiny shite about trans rights, I have nothing left to give them. They have taken so much from women and girls.

I think that I genuinely hate TRAs in a way I’ve never hater a particular group ever before,

@Empress, thank you for all you do.

Thank you Toe, and thank you for all you do too. The more of us PUULLLLLing, the more things will move!!!

It's a relay though - any particular person who needs a rest can take one and someone else will grab the baton instead. Bluntly, there are more of us than there are of them.

As someone who has come very late to this battle, I'm willing to keep on fighting what I see as an enormous threat to the rights and safety of women and children. But I do sympathise with those who have been battling for much longer than me. It is quite exhausting trying to deal with such misuse of language and warped thinking.

We are all in this together.

But I do sympathise with those who have been battling for much longer than me. It is quite exhausting trying to deal with such misuse of language and warped thinking.

That's why it's so important to have new women coming in all the time, so it's great that you're here. Welshbookworm.

Every so often I just go offline completely for an evening or a day & put it all out of my mind for a bit. It's not like it won't still be there when I come back...

The flip side though, & I know I've said this several times by now, is the fucking amazing women you meet along the way. Do go to an event if at all possible. The energy levels there are extraordinary & it's fantastic to meet people you've talked to / seen online IRL.

The flip side though, & I know I've said this several times by now, is the fucking amazing women you meet along the way. Do go to an event if at all possible. The energy levels there are extraordinary & it's fantastic to meet people you've talked to / seen online IRL.

Absolutely second this.

Me too ... it's all so tedious. It's like dealing with small children weedling and pushing boundaries. Just No. Can we not just put them on the naughty step until they behave?

Agree on the amazing women. I've met loads and am inspired by the resurgence of real actual feminism.

Me too!

Thanks EmpressAdultHumanFemale

Unfortunately living in rural Mid-Wales there are unlikely to be meetings I can get to easily, which is why I'm so glad to have finally discovered Mumsnet - at 72!

It's never too late to discover Mumsnet, Welsh!

Totally agree OP. I increasingly feel sick to the back teeth of having it occupy headspace - and I am involved to about 0.1% of the degree that some of the posters here and elsewhere that I follow!

I got a fairly loaded pushback on a comment I made on a public GC FB page recently, from a lesbian friend. She's quite butch and confident, but you could tell from her words that she was on the verge of accusing me of all sorts.

I simply didn't have the energy to have the discussion with her because I could see it going immediately to transphobia jail, do not pass go, do not collect £200 - and I'd lose a friend and she'd still not see the lesbophobia happening under her very nose.

I got a fairly loaded pushback on a comment I made on a public GC FB page recently, from a lesbian friend. She's quite butch and confident, but you could tell from her words that she was on the verge of accusing me of all sorts.

I'm in the same boat with a friend although in her case she has Turner syndrome. She is furious with rad fems because supposedly we're being exclusive in saying women are just people with XX chromosomes because as a woman with just one X chromosome, where does that leave her? We're being horribly exclusive apparently. I know full well how I want to respond to her on that issue but she's beyond listening and only getting more and more sucked in by some people who are quite aggressive in their views. It's distressing.

"I don't want to talk about trans anymore but I'll start another thread so there's another thread for us all to talk trans on."

Erm.... okay, that makes sense lol.

VerbeenaBeeks

Anyone can start a thread on anything that feminists might want to discuss on here.

You're perfectly free to do so, should you want to start a discussion on something else.

gendercritter, doesn't your friend understand that it's not the X chromosome at issue, but the Y?

The fact that she lacks an X chromosome does not make her any less of a woman than someone with the standard XX chromosomes. What makes her a woman, just the same as any woman regardless of the number of X chromosomes she has, is the absence of a Y chromosome.

The tide is turning. There have been more and more articles in newspapers about the lunacy of it all.