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Penny Mordaunt: Let’s champion “the invisible women who keep…our nation going.”

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TimeLady · 23/11/2018 10:57

Penny Mordaunt's women’s suffrage centenary speech

www.conservativehome.com/parliament/2018/11/mordaunt-broadens-out-role-of-government-equalities-office-beyond-women-on-boards-and-big-business-full-text.html

Right at the end:

In Parliament, the Women and Equalities Select Committee engages with a range of organisations to inform parliament and government’s thinking.

And there are some great forums and campaign groups out there.

But I want to make sure we hear from women in every community, so we are undertaking a piece of work to ensure female voices are better heard by policy makers.

Every woman in the UK should feel able to raise the issues which concern them, and know that we are taking them seriously and are responding to those issues. And to find the right solutions to the complex policy challenges we face, we need to be drawing on everyone’s expertise – no one has a better insight into tricky gender equality issues than the women who are dealing with them every day.

Our message to women is this: you will set our agenda.

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StealthPolarBear · 23/11/2018 10:58

Which women do you think will be focused on?

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TimeLady · 23/11/2018 11:01

Sounds great until you ask that question, SPB

I have no confidence in anything she says any more and I'm a Conservative member

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StealthPolarBear · 23/11/2018 11:06

It will be interesting to watch.

Popchyk · 23/11/2018 11:08

"But I want to make sure we hear from women in every community, so we are undertaking a piece of work to ensure female voices are better heard by policy makers."

The Government Equalities Office who used the National LGBT survey, took a section intended for Trans people only, and extrapolated that to mean that there is no impact on women with self-ID?

And did absolutely no other impact assessment on women?

Babdoc · 23/11/2018 11:09

On past performance, I assume she means just the women with penises.
Because her government seem happy to push through self ID, to the detriment of actual women’s safety, privacy and dignity.

TorchesTorches · 23/11/2018 12:12

It might be a good idea to write to her using this speech as a launch point, ie

'' Penny, I was really heartened by your excellent speech on womens voices needing to be heard. There is an issue at the moment which is causing many women dismay and their voices are being stifled and their legitimate concerns not being listened to or valued.. the issue is Self Id '' etc etc.. I might write it up over the weekend.

Melamin · 23/11/2018 12:24

That looks like a good plan Smile

If she starts weeding out 'faux' or 'so-called' feminists, the field will be pretty bare.

LangCleg · 23/11/2018 12:28

Define female, Penny. Then we can talk.

R0wantrees · 23/11/2018 12:32

There's a thread of collated of comments for Penny Mordant MP here:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3297184-Your-comments-for-Penny-Mordaunt

This thread evolved from the original one posted by Justine Roberts at the beginning of the Govt. Consultation.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/site_stuff/3297067-Mumsnet-moderation-response-to-yesterdays-feedback

As its in another place, 'Talk', there is a risk it gets lost.

There are many important comments, posts and concerns of MN members on the thread including additional questions and comments for Penny Mordant.

The thread which Justine is referring to in her comment & links to:
July 3rd 2018, OP Pratchet wrote:
"A woman is an adult female human
Of the sex whose reproductive role is to gestate and bear young.

Let's just say this while we still can. Because it's true, and however many people try to make us lie about it, or remain silent, it will always be true.

In times of universal deceit, speaking the truth is a revolutionary act.

It hurts MY feelings to see 'transwomen are women'. It damages MY mental health to see that, it makes ME feel erased and MY identity feel destroyed. I have a voice and I deserve that voice. WE deserve it.

I am Spartacus. A woman is an adult female human. Sex is binary, immutable and defined by reproductive role.

If you report me, or get me banned you shoot the messenger. Because this is true and will always be true. And this day, this day of a lie, I WILL say it.

#Spartacus"

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3295603-A-woman-is-an-adult-female-human

I miss Pratchet's posts

Also more collated concerns about failings and failures to the child protection and Safeguarding frameworks:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3301266-Safeguarding-girls-and-protecting-women-post-Jimmy-Saville-metoo

Needmoresleep · 23/11/2018 12:33

I am invisible. I did the "right" things: get an education; get a career; get married; get a mortgage and a pension; pay taxes; raise children; look after an elderly mother. Is Penny listening to me? She may "champion", but there is no evidence at all that she is willing to listen to me or millions of women like me, or the people who speak on our behalf.

More than any single politician, she makes me very angry indeed.

Awful, awful woman.

BlackeyedGruesome · 23/11/2018 13:53

How about me. I contribute the lack of understanding of the presentation of autism in girls and women. And that attrocious waiting times for assessment,2 years waiting here. Lack of understanding leads to lack of support in school and lost education time.

BlackeyedGruesome · 23/11/2018 13:55

Nice guidelines are so much shorter than two years waiting but does anything get done, does it heck

CuriousaboutSamphire · 23/11/2018 17:39

I don't believe a word she says. Her response to my emails was a weird whitewash of what I had asked, all mealy mouthed nonsense that said bugger all!

My last response to her was "You are killing me Penny, literally killing me!" - I was feeling a little bit annoyed at the time!

frogintheTyne · 23/11/2018 17:47

Penny Mordant can smell a Tory leadership contest in the air, and is positioning herself accordingly as a Woman of the Nation.

SaskiaRembrandtWasFramed · 23/11/2018 18:02

Is she desperately trying to claw back a shred of credibility with women voters after her 'transwomen are women' comment backfired?

ChewyLouie · 23/11/2018 18:21

I guess she’s talking about ‘brave and stunning’ women since acknowledging the needs of the other type doesn’t score points.

R0wantrees · 24/11/2018 07:52

Lisa Muggeridge blog:

'Post script'
"THis record started because I could express a political opinion publicly for the first time in my life. It became, not through my choice, but after taking them at face value, a record of a mediating class in crisis as they generated instability at the end of a cycle. They generated instability by reproducing their class identity and social relations with social media and this is a record of why our elite institutions had no understanding of the rule of law when they tried to undermine it with austerity. I am grateful to have kept that record and it is done. There is no way for the class that the likes of Sophie Emera is from to see the systems I can see and see no need to put myself in the face of that class rage.

I went to see my MP, I said this is the system failure we have, this is the record I have created, this is what it means for Universal Credit, and our Local Authorities. The system failure is real and even though he is a Conservative he took the time to discuss in detail what I had seen and done. Including the reason I know there is no understanding of this at an elite level.

In 2010 it appeared, it felt like, it has felt since like equality was rolled back for women like me. In fact the context had changed around our elite cultures andthe shit i got was because I am that context. I do not have the right or the choice to place my daughter at risk and we won, the reason trans rights activists are so dangerous is we won. What they dont know is that this is the period where women will consolidate EVERY right won in the twentieth century. I don’t need to be on social media for that, to be part of that, and social media particularly twitter is just the remains of a dying media and politics culture screaming to everyone they never did know anything and this was all they had. Its over.

Parasitic dynamic is broken when the parasite behaves abusively. The host just has to walk away. Nothing I need or want on social media, I don’t need a permanent window into how bad our elite cultures were during this period. I already knew. All twitter has done is ensured I could see it and bypass it. Which I have done. So can you. I am physically and emotionally worn out, but there is no need for me to take this kind of hate. A quick ‘we dont know about these systems’ would have done in 2010.

The alignment of our legal frameworks, safeguarding, equality legislation and our institutions is now happening. Its just that media cultures wentto die in a chatroom while it happens. Each age is a dream that is dying or a new one coming to birth. Its time to push. Really."
idgeofreason.wordpress.com/

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womanformallyknownaswoman · 24/11/2018 08:14

I am far too cynical and repeatedly betrayed by politicians to believe someone's words. What actions has she put in train? That's the question to ask.

Her past behaviour indicates a disdain of women and their experiences so she will have to do a lot to change my view of her words as anything other than a cynical recalibrate in the face of concerted resistance to the changes she and her cohort champion, that put women and children in harm's way by dismantling robust, tried and tested, necessary safeguarding frameworks.

R0wantrees · 24/11/2018 08:24

I am similary cynical, but this is a useful statement.

Writing to a Conservative MP?
Quote Penny Smile

BernardBlacksWineIcelolly · 24/11/2018 08:56

I miss Pratchet's posts

seconded

I like to think she'll be back, she was awesome

R0wantrees · 24/11/2018 09:33

I do hope so.

Pratchet & The Bewildeness' perspectives much missed.
As many other long term FWR posters.
They were the women I learned so much from at the beginning of the year.
Brilliant, witty & compassionate.

BernardBlacksWineIcelolly · 24/11/2018 12:03

Yes. I will never forget that Mumsnet cheerfully banned or threatened to ban many long term contributors. It makes me very sad.

AngryAttackKittens · 24/11/2018 12:05

Well, you can't say Penny hasn't done her part in helping to keep women invisible!

TallulahWaitingInTheRain · 24/11/2018 13:24

In fact, women will become literally invisible if Penny et al. succeed in pushing through their GRA reforms

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