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MNHQ deleting anything with recording of "T*RF Wars" meeting in Leeds

59 replies

WombOfOnesOwn · 23/11/2018 04:04

Isn't it interesting how we're extremely glad for "our side's" recordings to make it into the public view...while "the other side" tries everything they can to keep their words out of the public eye and away from fair debate?

Sure makes you think.

Imagine if radical feminists held a meeting they said they wanted absolutely no recordings of, with trans people totally excluded. How many of their goons would get sent to record? Would any of the trans-sympathetic news outlets or web forums shut down publication of that recording, especially if it revealed evidence that the feminists in question were acting in a derogatory or ill-advised way?

It's very strange to see how much we are all supposed to simply respect men, and do what they ask.

Imagine a meeting of trans-black people held to disparage the transblack exclusionary radical race theorists (TERRTs). And the meeting being all about how black people pose existential threats to white people who want to be black. And then being told that if black people want to discuss an undercover recording taken by a whistleblower, black forums won't allow it because the white people who identify as black didn't want recordings.

This is shameful, MNHQ. Since when do we have to listen to men telling us not to record matters of public interest to us? We have seen threats come out of these "T*RF Wars" on Twitter and beyond. It is in the public interest for women to know whether the violent rhetoric of transactivists online is being matched by similarly virulent misogyny in person.

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Wrathofjurgenklop · 23/11/2018 08:29

I also hadn't got round to listening, y'know busy and all that. Hmm

Now I do want to listen.
I just want to hear what they are saying on the subject.

Why on earth is that so bad?

wallyfeatures · 23/11/2018 08:36

Could I also have the link @charlestonchaplin

Juells · 23/11/2018 08:37

Chilling

Floisme · 23/11/2018 08:37

I can understand why HQ deleted it - the law sounds very murky - but it seems a little bizarre of the group to insist on this if it was (as I understand it?) a public meeting.

And they can't stop us talking about why they might want it hushed up.

Juells · 23/11/2018 08:39

A shame that MN aren't on the side of women.

If it's not legal I don't see how MN can be blamed for removing the link. I'm grateful that MN provides a platform where women can discuss the threats against us. Where else can we do that?

charlestonchaplin · 23/11/2018 08:43

Thought I posted thanks to older and deepwater but it didn't post for some reason. I'm listening now. It really is a load of rubbish. The misinformation comes thick and fast. I'm not sure how much of it they really believe.

R0wantrees · 23/11/2018 08:47

worth skipping to 1:20 in

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 23/11/2018 08:47

Really unfair to blame MNHQ for this.
At least the recording is out there and being circulated and we can still discuss what was said in the knowledge we have evidence.

Needmoresleep · 23/11/2018 08:48

Juells, I agree.

Even if they think it is OK they may have concerns that they will get tied up in timeconsuming and expensive litigation. My guess is this part of the reason why Twitter and Wordpress have their fingers ready to press the delete button when anything GC comes up. It is far more important that MNHQ are able to keep this forum open, both commercially and legally.

Again a contrast. There is lots of realy offensive stuff about "Terfs" etc on the internet, yet women seem far less ready to complain or sue. There needs to be a test case sometime on something, and I would be more than happy to contribute to a crowdfunder.

Imissgmichael · 23/11/2018 08:51

I’d love to see a transcript. I do wonder though how utube get away with it.

Dragon3 · 23/11/2018 08:57

Isn't it interesting how we're extremely glad for "our side's" recordings to make it into the public view...while "the other side" tries everything they can to keep their words out of the public eye and away from fair debate?

So true!

Having said that, I can understand why MNHQ deleted the thread if posting secret recordings are illegal. Although why it should be illegal to record a public meeting and publish the recording, I don't know.

Melamin · 23/11/2018 09:05

Apparently, TERFs have control over the national media! mirror and all that.

They are going to provide an alternative form of feminism that is more moderate LOL twitter.com/bo_novak/status/1065856607962259456

Melamin · 23/11/2018 09:05

That recording is ok - it wasn't their meeting.

FloralBunting · 23/11/2018 09:11

Two words.

Streisand effect.

sackrifice · 23/11/2018 09:59

Exactly Floral.

charlestonchaplin · 23/11/2018 10:04

Hope I haven't put anyone off listening. When I said it was rubbish I had only listened to the first 20 minutes or so and that was full of lots of misinformation, whether that was deliberate or not I don't know. There is stuff that is useful to know in there. Haven't listened to it all but certainly from 1hr 15 minutes in to the end is useful. (Followed R0wantrees suggestion)

PencilsInSpace · 23/11/2018 10:08

I'm happy to transcribe a chunk of this today. I don't know if there are others already on it though and don't want to duplicate effort. We need somebody In Charge Grin

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 23/11/2018 10:11

Quick everyone take a step back!!!

pencil wants a volunteer

WhatTheWatersShowedMe · 23/11/2018 10:27

I'm also happy to transcribe a section.

Datun · 23/11/2018 10:34

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Ereshkigal · 23/11/2018 10:34

Listen to it if you can.

BoreOfWhabylon · 23/11/2018 11:07

It might not have been the recording, might have been some of the latter posts doxxing a prominent and vicious TRA. I thought when I saw them that, if reported, MNHQ would have to delete.

I don't think it's fair to blame MNHQ and accuse them of not supporting women, they are bending over backwards to allow this debate to continue and I'm willing to bet they are deluged with complaints and threats on a daily basis.

BoreOfWhabylon · 23/11/2018 11:19

I might be getting deleted threads mixed up though. Not sure now which thread the doxxing occurred on.

GenderCriticalRedditor · 23/11/2018 11:27

For anyone who missed the original dropbox link or can't use it, there's another link over on GC Reddit - I won't link to it directly as it'll likely get my post deleted, but it's there for anyone who needs it.

jeaux90 · 23/11/2018 11:56

It's easily found on Reddit. Working at home today and listened to about 20 mins of it. They sound like they are in an episode of the Young Ones. Terfs this, terfs that...honestly I would laugh if it wasn't so serious.