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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Monzo bank make mockery of Women in Finance Charter

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EmpressAdultHumanFemale · 22/11/2018 22:18

In 2017 Monzo blogged about signing the Women in Finance charter & their commitment to 'gender diversity'.

In 2018 their Head of People says they'd be happy for all their board members to be of the male sex, providing they identified as different genders.

So there we go. Misogyny in the guise of wokeness.

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ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 22/11/2018 22:21

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3429234-Monzo-bank-Women-in-Finance-Charter

That's the problem will all this sex-is-rude stuff. Gender diversity means fuck all, they should be trying to achieve equality of sex

Verify2Terrify · 22/11/2018 22:50

Good on Abigail on twitter calling them out on this utter batshit nonsense. WTF are they thinking, posting mantras as a response? Do these woke idiots actually realise how thick they come across posting that shite?

EmpressAdultHumanFemale · 23/11/2018 06:17

Thanks for the link, ItsAll.

I hadn't heard of Monzo before tonight but what a load of virtue-signalling chauvinism.

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Blockyiursekf · 23/11/2018 06:52

I've closed my account down because of this.

Pamspeople · 23/11/2018 13:41

Any company could 'achieve' its targets on equal pay etc if enough of its male employees identify as women. They wouldn't have to have surgery take a single hormone or change the way they present. The organisation could change nothing else but still be able to say it is super committed to equality at work.

And anyone who challenged it would be transphobic.

Or am missing something?

Micke · 23/11/2018 13:59

This is the problem of conceding the word 'woman' to gender rather than keeping it to mean adult, human, female.

feministme · 23/11/2018 15:33

I suspect more and more places that have policies and programmes in place for women will take this "self ID" line about who they are targeting, forgetting that the programmes were set up in the first place to address discrimination and sexism against actual women, and instead going for general 'inclusion' (without noticing or caring that they've eaten into their commitments to women). ....Like academic, research and other organisations that say they won't host or speak on "all male panels" at conferences, but when pushed will say that actually an all male panel is fine if one of the male people is trans

ToeToToe · 23/11/2018 16:07

There is some bearded wonder-dude on that Monzo twitter thread who seems to think that 'any' human could gestate, via egg donation, and the egg-donation would "not necessarily" have to be female.

It's like a parlour game where he's not allowed to use the word "woman" Grin You have to laugh or you'll cry.

Twitter thread here (scroll up): twitter.com/Karen_McInnes/status/1065990512220545025

Kudos to Abigail and the women on twitter for playing with this one!

stillathing · 23/11/2018 16:24

Bloody hell. Makes me want to contact the man's poor mother for a chat.

SonicVersusGynaephobia · 23/11/2018 18:55

The number of beardy bros on the thread arguing in favour of removing actual women from finance jobs (and pregnancy!) is what makes me sure that this whole thing is a backlash against women's progress.

YetAnotherSpartacus · 23/11/2018 19:15

Yes, I agree. A number of males who don't normally really care about social issues seem to have caught the trans rash - I strongly suspect that it is about a socially sanctioned way of articulating festering misogyny. I also suspect that feminist opposition to the transborg - women sticking their heads above the parapet and saying 'no, this is wrong' - will open the way for open misogyny (directly anti-woman, rather than more covertly pro-trans) sentiments and actions. I mean it already has in the naming of us as 'terfs', but I suspect that this will become more mainstream.

ToeToToe · 24/11/2018 09:02

Dude-bro Dave has been up all night arguing that men have the potential to have babies too. I'm wondering if he's quite well, or is having some sort of mental crisis.

Because of some article from 1999 talking about ivf technology by Lord Winston.

It would be laughable - except it isn't. Because of the context in which it was raised by Dude-bro Dave - which was Monzo saying that 50% men and 50% transwomen on their team would fulfil their commitment to women's equality in senior banking roles.

And this is what we've all been talking about all along isn't it. The erasure of women. Along with dude-bro dave talking about 'humans' ("any" human, according to Dave) having the babies. Women being erased, as a biological category, in language and law. Hmm

welshbookworm · 24/11/2018 19:48

This thread took up half of yesterday evening for me. I went to bed with my mind boggling at the kind of arguments being thrown around.

SonicVersusGynaephobia · 24/11/2018 21:26

I'm exhausted from that thread! I muted sealion Dave after the first few hours but it was rather funny watching everyone else take their turn responding to him and him eventually giving up and blocking people. We broke him Grin

ToeToToe · 24/11/2018 21:53

I spent far too long reading that thread too - couldn't believe how long he kept it up, he can't have slept last night! Poor thing's protected his account now. I did wonder if he was having some sort of breakdown.

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