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Parent bullied by school after complaining child was forced to attend 'indoctrination" events

19 replies

Rumbledore · 22/11/2018 06:59

Interesting "A school may face legal action after Christian parents complained to governors about a "Pride" event it put on for pupils."

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-46289025

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YippeeKayakOtherBuckets · 22/11/2018 07:04

This is why the T latching onto LBG was such a coup.

Conflating ‘transphobia’ (a nonsense term meaning that you don’t believe people can change sex by putting on some lipstick, mostly) with homophobia is very clever. It means any parent complaining that they don’t want trans ideology taught as fact (it’s up there with creationism and flat earth stuff) is a HATEFUL BIGOT.

HandsOffMyRights · 22/11/2018 07:30

It was a stroke of male genius.

I'm now one such 'bigot' for not wanting my children taught gender ideology as fact.

RepealTheGRA · 22/11/2018 09:21

Has that school forgotten that religion/belief is protected in law?

I may not agree with Christians but they have a right to their beliefs and the school have to respect that and handle this situation sensitively.

Coughed · 22/11/2018 11:04

Teachers (not those who come to teaching as a second career) in my experience tend to get stuck in dictator mode and think parents are students under their control, then Teachers behave like children having tantrums - demonstrated here - when they are caught out acting the ejit. I look forward to the court educating these "educators" and commend the parents teaching the school a much needed valuable lesson.

MrsBertBibby · 22/11/2018 19:25

I wouldn't believe a damn thing out of Christian Concern, or the Christian Legal Centre's mouths if they swore on all the bible's in the world.

There's no evidence this school was doing anything but promote respect for all people.

spannablue · 22/11/2018 19:34

I agree, MrsBertBibby

I know loads of Christians, Muslims and Jews who are supportive of LGBT inclusion. Including the Chief Rabbi and various bishops.

spannablue · 22/11/2018 19:37

...and I know of no religion that condones bullying.

Some school staff however are less than expert at supporting parents to understand that the Equality Act privileges no protected characteristic over any other and in fact requires publicly funded bodies to support people with different characteristics to understand and mutually respect each other.

AspieAndProud · 22/11/2018 19:44

...and I know of no religion that condones bullying.

Only slavery, wife beating and rape. But not bullying because that would be wrong.

spannablue · 22/11/2018 19:47

Sure, I get what you're saying, out of the context we're discussing. But if you asked that Christian parent if her religion condoned bullying, she'd be likely to say no.

Fizzingwithdisbelief · 22/11/2018 21:28

I know loads of Christians, Muslims and Jews who are supportive of LGBT inclusion. Including the Chief Rabbi and various bishops.

Really? I know lots of Christians, Muslims and Jews who are appalled at the "mission creep" of what is essentially "queer theory" being pushed on innocent minds

spannablue · 22/11/2018 22:16

yes, really. Literally hundreds.

And:

Chief Rabbi: chiefrabbi.org/lgbtwelfare/

Bishop of Liverpool: www.theguardian.com/world/2018/apr/10/church-rejection-driven-lgbt-people-suicide-paul-bayes-bishop-liverpool-says

It's a stereotyping myth that religious people are unreservedly homophobic, biphobic and transphobic. Some are, and some aren't. But it's definitely not a done deal.

AspieAndProud · 22/11/2018 23:30

Sure, I get what you're saying, out of the context we're discussing. But if you asked that Christian parent if her religion condoned bullying, she'd be likely to say no.

If you asked any religious person - other than Levay Satanists - if their religion condoned anything bad whatsoever, they’d say no.

And yet they are amazingly adept at doing bad things and saying it’s ‘good’ because their religion condones it.

Do you think ISIS think they are the bad guys?

AspieAndProud · 22/11/2018 23:34

I’m not sure ‘biphobic’ is actually a thing, except within the gay community.

Straight people don’t hate bisexuals for being bisexual, they hate them for being gay.

It’s the homosexual acts they object to.

AspieAndProud · 22/11/2018 23:37

I can think of dozens of commonly used epithets for homosexuals.

Off hand, I can’t think of any for bisexuals. Certainly not in common use among straight people.

FWRLurker · 23/11/2018 03:44

Aspire there is a stereotype around bi people among some straights that they are sexually promiscuous (will have sex with “anyone”). This is someimes used to justify assault. So there is some I think.

Needmoresleep · 23/11/2018 09:38

At primary age I would not have wanted my children to be introduced to gender/transgender topics, not least because it implies gender stereotypes, plus there is a reasonable likelihood that a number in each class will go through a period of uncertainty about their sexual (or perhaps even gender) identity during adolescence and given the risk of contaigon I would want to understand what the school planned to say. I would have wanted a much more shallow approach that people can be different and that acceptance is important.

It is easy to get it wrong. When DC were young there was a big debate about how much children should be taught about the Holocaust and at what age. The school preferred to leave Anne Frank etc to years 5 & 6. However as a compromise a mother was invited into reception to talk about Judeaism. Cue DD coming home in tears. She had no friends. Why? Because Jewish people don't like non-Jews. Who knows what was said, but I assume that was not the intention. Similarly a friend's kids, who attended a seriously multiracial primary at a similar age came home saying they had been taught they had to be nice to children who were a different colour. But they did not know any kids who were blue or green, just ones who were varying shades of brown or beige.

This incidently will be problem in many south London schools where there is an obvious and immediate culture clash between liberal ideas and evangelical teaching. Which is probably part of the reason why evangelicals have moved into running Academies, much to the distress of some parents whose children have been allocated places at them. But then my guess is that the GC debate will start to gain traction when and only when culturally conservative groups start to protest.

Avegemitesandwich · 23/11/2018 09:46

This is why the T latching onto LBG was such a coup.

Conflating ‘transphobia’ (a nonsense term meaning that you don’t believe people can change sex by putting on some lipstick, mostly) with homophobia is very clever. It means any parent complaining that they don’t want trans ideology taught as fact (it’s up there with creationism and flat earth stuff) is a HATEFUL BIGOT.

This. Fucking THIS!!!

MustBeDreaming · 23/11/2018 18:11

Speaking from experience of being bi, bisexual people are often viewed as sluts/ sex addicts, attention seekers or indecisive and flaky by both the straight and gay/lesbian community. I've been bullied and excluded before by both communities and it was definitely for being bi and not attributable to pure homophobia.

Fizzingwithdisbelief · 23/11/2018 23:45

yes, really. Literally hundreds.

BS detector on red alert

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