Communist Party policy supports actual women

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Seems this wonderful policy was passed at their 55th Congress. And the Morning Star is about the only consistently pro-women / anti self-ID paper around. See you at the next meeting comrades.

Wokebros v the Communist Party is an intriguing battle (if only how they would depict each other - TERF running dogs?)

Bloody hell. The Communists are making more sense than the Lib Dems by a country mile

How do all the Living Marxism lot reconcile this with their worldview I wonder? I lost track of it all after buying LM twice in 1992 (and receiving it unwanted for another five years or so)

LM (or at least its spirit) currently represented by the likes of Brendan O'Neill and Claire Fox.

Glad to see someone has mentioned Ash Sarkar - last night it occurred to me that this must be very difficult for her. Although, thinking about it, I suppose the Communist party might not be real communists in the way Ash is a communist?

TheClitterati that's because currently being a socialist is on trend, but only for middle class white men who believe they get to decide what socialism/women/working class is/are.

In ten years time they'll be Tory voting professionals living in the home counties and pretending this never happened.

Identity politics are anti-Marxian and a harmful diversion from the class struggle (they're Neoliberal)

The following motion was passed overwhelmingly at the party’s eighth congress in September.

While being totally opposed to discrimination on grounds of race, sex or sexual proclivity, this congress declares that obsession with identity politics, including sexual politics, is anti-Marxian.

Congress therefore resolves that the propagation of identity politics, including LGBT ideology, being reactionary and anti-working class and a harmful distraction and diversion from the class struggle of the proletariat for its social emancipation, is incompatible with membership of the party, rendering those involved in its promotion liable to expulsion.

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We will be publishing materials to explain this motion’s content in more detail over the coming period. Check the page on identity politics for updates.

www.cpgb-ml.org/2018/12/07/news/identity-politics-are-anti-marxian-and-a-harmful-diversion-from-the-class-struggle/

The "Communist Party of Great Britain (Marxist-Leninist)" mentioned in the post above is not the same group as the "Communist Party of Britain" associated with the Morning Star.

Can someone clarify, am I now a communist or a member of the far right, it would be useful to know before I make breakfast.

It is always so pleasurable to have material reality uncompromisingly and clearly stated.

The tyrannical little pomo shits have been screwing with people's heads for too long with their ridiculous ideology. And why? Because they get off on tribalism, navel-gazing, bullying women, porn and kink. Why have they been indulged by so many for this long?

"Socialists must avoid the trap of bourgeois identity politics if they are to make headway in uniting the working class against capitalism."

"‘Transgender rights’ are bourgeois ideology. The whole issue confounds reality. It is pure idealism because the reality is that we cannot choose our identity at will. It is an illusion, a mistake and a crime to teach people to think that they can choose like this, under capitalism."

www.cpgb-ml.org/2018/12/07/news/the-only-thing-that-unites-us-is-class/

Interesting speech. Horrified about the PhD rejection.

Just wondering where this group sits in the left? I gather they may be the Stalun apologists?

I suppose it would be too much to ask for that the SWP openly rejected transgender ideology, although I know anecdotally they reject identity politics. They will always put recruitment first.

*Stalin sorry

Can someone clarify, am I now a communist or a member of the far right, it would be useful to know before I make breakfast.

I keep wondering this too, birds, I'm accused of being both, simultaneously, which can't possibly be the case. It's most perplexing.

Ash Sarkar thinks?

And that's me laughing on the bus again.

Funny old world - I could never be a communist, nor do I share very many political views with David TC Davies, but I'm eternally grateful to both for actually standing up for women.

This.

Can someone clarify, am I now a communist or a member of the far right, it would be useful to know before I make breakfast

There are different breakfast foods, depending?

Is one able to profess oneself to be ideology non-conforming (INC) or violently-assigned ideology depending on perspective? (AIDOP- assigned ideology depending on perspective)? Or whatever would allow someone to stick to their preferred breakfast items?

If you think of the horseshoe analogy, the two sides are very close and it may be possible to jump between the two.

The quote from Invisible1234 is problematic though, because LGB rights are not identity politics, they are about freedom from discrimination based on sexuality. So working class men can surely be gay and fight for their rights as a class without discrimination because they are not heterosexual. I think they are throwing the baby out with the bath water on that one.

I agree with the more general point about women’s oppression stemming from their biology as a class, though.

They're probably thinking about campaigns for equal marriage as a bourgeois distraction, rather than wanting a denial of rights.

They're probably thinking about campaigns for equal marriage as a bourgeois distraction, rather than wanting a denial of rights.

Yeah, they're against marriage in general, so that includes gay marriage.

I personally think that the discrimination of openly gay men (men who marry a woman and cheat on her with men aren't targeted) is caused by patriarchy. Their "crime" is lack of participation in the oppression of women

And I need not explain how the oppression of lesbians is caused by patriarchy.

So, patriarchy is the root cause of it all.

I don't know what this communist party considers the root cause, but they probably think the root cause should be adressed immediately and exclusively, and nothing else should be allowed to distract from that goal.

(I personally think that a real revolution will probably not happen anytime soon, so fighting for small improvements in an overall shitty system is still worth it, but I am old and disillusioned.)

That is interesting, thank you. I didn’t know the Communist Party are against marriage although I don’t know that much about the communist party and what you say makes sense.

As to whether openly gay people are targeted as a result of patriarchy, I think it is also because patriarchy works with hierarchies of men as well - thus older men have more influence than younger men and heterosexual men have more power than homosexual men (because of dynastic reasons to do with inheritance and power, not only over women but younger generations (and gay men until recently did not have children). And - going wildly off topic - is it not the case that homoerotic relationships in Ancient Greece were about patronage as well as desire (and men in these relationships still enjoyed a higher social status than women).

I don’t know, it is not something I know much about. The line about LBG also being identity politics sat oddly with me, that is all.

That is interesting, thank you. I didn’t know the Communist Party are against marriage although I don’t know that much about the communist party and what you say makes sense.

That was not a statement on this particular communist party, but on what I know about communist leaning people in general. I don't know about this particular party. It seems likely, though.

Yes, that is how I understood it, my capitalisation was a bit all over the place.

No Communist supports marriage, because it is a transaction between a father and another man. The woman is a possession who is handed over.