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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

what's the politics of virilized clitoris =/= penis? eg Mrkhtake2

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quixote9 · 18/11/2018 21:25

Mrkhtake2's threads on intersex conditions are very helpful, so I've been reading her a good bit lately. I've gathered from her tweets that it's a no-no to call an enlarged clitoris a penis, which raises questions for me. I'm not on twitter (I just read the publicly available sites in my browser) so I can't ask her directly, and I'm hoping someone here can explain it to me.

I'm a biologist, taught zoology for years, had the usual embryology classes, etc., etc. Developmentally, clitoris and penis are derived from the same tissue. They wind up in different shapes, the head and shaft are both homologous, the clitoris does not wrap around the urethra. A virilized clitoris doesn't include the urethra either, since that can only happen in the embryo. So, yes, they're different, but they're not unrelated.

So why is it unacceptable to discuss them as similar (not equivalent) organs? I don't, for my sanity, read TRAs. Do they make a big deal out of these are identical and that proves they're right about no such thing as biological sex?

Anyway, I'd be grateful for some education here.

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quixote9 · 18/11/2018 23:39

If a clitoris is a penis why do men have so much difficulty finding it?

Grin
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AspieAndProud · 18/11/2018 23:46

How is it TRAs can spend months subjecting fMRI and MRI scans to the most advanced statistical analysis to distinguish a ‘blue brain’ from a ‘pink brain’ but can’t tell at a glance the difference between a clitoris and the last turkey in the shop?

ErrolTheDragon · 18/11/2018 23:52

And also, how can they apparently, fail to understand what the O in 'PCOS' stands for. (Let alone that the really bitching thing about it is the lack of ovulation if you're TTCHmm)

FloralBunting · 19/11/2018 00:02

It's one of those strange contradictory patterns in the movement that Turph compiled a list of. GC feminists are 'reducing people to their genitals', whereas AWAs present people as an amorphous collection of indistinct bits, like characters made of Lego or plasticine, and only their magical invisible essences are definitive.

It goes way beyond reductive of the body into dismissing it entirely. Crackerjacks.

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