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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Lesbians only do it for the menz

42 replies

DorothyLNaySayers · 17/11/2018 21:10

What fresh hell is this? www.pinknews.co.uk/2017/05/19/homosexual-behaviour-in-women-only-developed-because-of-men-new-controversial-scientific-study-claims/

Women are only lesbians because men dig it. Hmm

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PrincessJuanita · 17/11/2018 23:00

Lets face it, if it wasn't for men we'd all be sitting in bed in fleecy PJ's eating biscuits with the electric blanket on.

You just described my life!! Grin

Weezol · 17/11/2018 23:07

They have a long history of dismissing women. Misogyny is not exclusive to heterosexuals.

Pink News often makes the Daily Mail look woke tbh.

FFSFFSFFS · 17/11/2018 23:20

So there point was that less women were keen on their male partner having some gay male action - so what's their reason for gay men then? This is extraordinary. It really totally and utterly dismisses female sexual desire completely!! Lesbians do it for male sexual satisfaction and gay men do it for male sexual satisfaction. Jesus wept.

FFSFFSFFS · 17/11/2018 23:21

Their point.

But then I might have made that grammar mistake to satisfy a male with a poor grammar fetish. I live to please.

GodThisIsShit · 18/11/2018 00:38

I've only 6 O'levels in the locker so what do I know BUT my gut tells me this is BULLSHIT.

GodThisIsShit · 18/11/2018 00:39

I only have etc

GodThisIsShit · 18/11/2018 00:43

Also fucking lay off lesbians. The attacks are coming from all quarters. Solidarity to my lesbian sisters.

AngryAttackKittens · 18/11/2018 01:34

Leave lesbians alone, you misogynistic ratbags!

Penis News really needs to just stop covering anything to do with women, since they can't seem to hide their contempt.

RedToothBrush · 18/11/2018 22:52

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Lesbians only do it for the menz
Bowlofbabelfish · 18/11/2018 23:02

I highly doubt this.

Same sex attraction is so widespread across all cultures (and multiple species) that there has to be some biological advantage in evolutionary terms.

There is some interesting work done that the siblings of homosexual men are more successful reproductively. So because they share genes, their reproductive successes benefit each other. I’m not aware of any work done for female homosexuals.

You can see a similar effect in something called alloparenting (Seychelles warblers if you’re interested...) pairs are often assisted at the best by closely related birds and this increases their breeding success. Because the closely related birds share a high number of genes the trait persists - it’s probably how altruism began.

Anyway, there is likely to be some sort of genetic driver here - ‘men dig it’ doesn’t really fit that bill. It’s bizzarre how everything has to be about men isn’t it?

(Gavel, for datun.)

Prestonsflowers · 18/11/2018 23:32

I tweeted Pink News and told them that their definition of lesbian was incorrect. I also tweeted them and said that Lesbian does not mean a man in a dress and make up who likes to shag women.
I’m awaiting my Twitter ban.

Stopthisnow · 19/11/2018 06:48

Frankly I am sick of the consent bombardment of pseudo scientific evolutionary psychology clap trap, which tries to explain homosexuality, that keeps being published. The people that come up with these theories, are the same ones who claim that when female animals run away or try to fight off male animals who are sexually harassing them, they are not trying to avoid rape, but just ‘playing hard to get’ and ‘testing the male’s genes’ etc.

I realised long ago there will never be any credible research into how sexuality develops, because it is an area that is male dominated, and those conducting such studies hold assumptions that because heterosexuality enables reproduction and is dominant in society it must be the default and innate. These assumptions allow them to conclude that people who are homosexual are born with faulty genes, are born with the brain of the opposite sex, have been exposed to opposite sex hormones in the womb etc. They are working from the same evolutionary psychology assumptions as those who argue that brain sex exists, i.e. that because males dominating females in societies (and the accompanying sex roles) are widespread, it must be due to innate evolutionary causes related to reproduction. These assumptions allow them to conclude that a female who is not submissive (or who does not follow the customary sex role of her society) or vice versa for a male, must have the brain of the opposite sex, have been exposed to opposite sex hormones in the womb etc. The arguments are practically identical. All of their studies and experiments seek to try and add ‘scientific’ weight to their preconceived ideas.

The fact that males have historically used brute force to dominate females and obtain sex/offspring, have imposed strict socialisation onto females, and the fact the brain is plastic, is simply dismissed or completely ignored by those pushing an evolutionary psychology narrative. The existence of bisexuals was always going to be difficult for them to explain, from their evolutionary psychology perspective, perhaps that is what this nonsense study is attempting to do?

Would be interesting to see how they explain the fact that men often develop fetishes for all kinds of inanimate objects. One would think the fact that such fetishes can be developed at all, would be a huge clue that sexuality in humans is often developed through the repeated pairing of a unconditional stimulus (such as orgasm) with a neutral stimulus (such as a particular type of person or object), that after repeated pairings the neutral stimulus becomes a conditioned stimulus and then itself triggers a response such as desire i.e. a kind of Pavlovian (classical) conditioning.

Studies into sexuality (which are almost always conducted from an from evolutionary psychology perspective) also never consider that depending on how one makes sense of or interprets their feelings, reactions and experiences, can determine how they view and so classify their sexuality. Neither do they take into consideration the impact socialisation is likely to have. They clearly have a particular narrative they want to push and these considerations would get in the way of that. The fact they are now trying to say that females only sleep with each other for the benefit of males, just reveals their agenda for what it is. The truth is men cannot stand the thought that females could reject males as a sex, and actually prefer females, it is just too big a blow for their egos to take. The sooner evolutionary psychology is named as the sexist homophobic rubbish it is the better.

Bowlofbabelfish · 19/11/2018 08:25

Well said. Evolutionary psychology is 92% bollocks imo.

Prawnofthepatriarchy · 19/11/2018 08:51

Homosexuality is innate in many species.

My DF is a keen ornithologist. One Christmas I sponsored him a pair of swans. When he opened the envelope he sat for a moment or two reading and burst out laughing. Turns out I'd given him the swans were a gay couple. He thought it was brilliant, having been hot on gay rights since the 50s.

Prawnofthepatriarchy · 19/11/2018 08:53

I do wish they'd leave lesbians alone. I stand in solidarity with my sisters.

The more I think about the premise of this survey the crosser I become.

Whatsallthisaboutthen · 19/11/2018 08:58

Funny, if we’re doing it for the menz, that it’s said men who leer and stare and make my DP and I feel fucking uncomfortable in public. But I guess actively trying to not look too gay is us just teasing them and playing hard to get...

pancaketosser · 19/11/2018 16:34

When I read the thread title I assumed that this was something from twitter, where stupid ideas look even more stupid when restricted to 140 characters.

But no, this is not some 'random extremist' on twitter, is it?

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