Women need to pee too. who knew.

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That was actually very interesting. Thanks for sharing.

Gosh. That was really interesting. I wonder how many parents are going to be fined for their daughters missing school due to periods and shared loos.

Its damning that in 2018 woman are having to fight for adequate toilets.

She expressed the issues well and with humour. I'm tempted to have a walkie talkie to hand if I ever have to use inappropriate gender neutral loos.

This is excellent, who is this amazing woman? She said she and another woman who are extremely well known in toilet research, public spaces, planning and design have done lots of work on this. We should be giving them a lot more publicity and these are the professional women that should be heard on Woman’s hour and the morning shows.

They study how toilets are actually used and all the myriad groups in society that use them. As she says, this has actually gone way beyond the initially trans lobby and is being used as an excuse by public and private bodies who are building or redesigning toilets to basically ignore women’s needs.

I love these articulate women in so many fields, it’s refreshing to hear from them.

Toilet access is a massive issue.

It’s become even harder for me now that I’m a full time wheelchair person - as she mentions the accessible toilets are often the first to be labeled gender neutral (or both sexes I guess).

As a cup user even when I wasn’t in a wheelchair I had times I knew I was going to be bloody and really wanted the privacy of the disabled toilets or at the very least to know that only women would see me emerge with bloody hands - lady Macbeth like.

My dd is a wheelchair user and there is a serious lack of disabled loos in a lot of places, without all the rest of it. And I always thought the massive queues in the ladies were because we took a bit longer, how dim am I?

What an interesting talk, and from a clever and funny woman.

I think that women's access to toilets is a huge issue. At first glance, it looks small, but it isn't - without safe access to toilets, women can't do anything or go anywhere 😠😡.

I feel unsafe every single time I use a public toilet, and now more so than ever. I don't think I'm unusual amongst women for that either.

In the video, the speaker mentions her colleague Jo-Anne Bichard, who I've Googled and been able to see does lots of related work. I'm not sure who the speaker is though.

Oh no, what if it's my calling to fight for women's rights to have a wee in peace 😄? At least there are lots of opportunities for the promotional material to be funny though 😂.

Oh, the speaker is Professor Clara Greed.

I think you girls are missing a trick.
I was in John Lewis's in Liverpool last Saturday and popped to the loo.
The queue for the ladies was as usual out of the door and 10 or 15 long that I can see.
When I went into the gents it was empty.
Why don't you ( especially if you are with a friend or two) self declare male and use the gents. 😊👍

Because, Children - Men are entitled to their own private toilets as much as Women are - Most Men don’t want mixed Sex ‘open’ loos, just as most Women don’t want them.

Radio 4 just mentioned a campaign by Joanna Lumley to get more ladies loos in theatres. On one front campaigners are trying to turn the ladies loos to mixed sex. Others are trying to get more ladies.

Very interesting video.

Very late to this discussion, but loos in theatres are very interesting.
I took dc (both boys) to theatre with a MIL recently. The gents and ladies were on different floors and unusually there was a queue outside the gents. So I waited with them, while they went and then had no time to use the toilets myself (mil) had stayed in auditorium.
If often thought there should be more public toilets for women as they are much more likely to have dc with them, either because they are out without DP /DH or it’s assumed by DP / DH that they will take them or the decision is made to take them to the Ladies as they are cleaner.

It’s a particular problem in the theatre. I used to often spend most of the interval in a queue for the ladies. Nowadays I leap up and run to get there, elbowing other people out of my way, in case I want to have any time actually enjoying the interval like all the men.

Interesting video.

Because, Children - Men are entitled to their own private toilets as much as Women are - Most Men don’t want mixed Sex ‘open’ loos, just as most Women don’t want them.

Yeah, decent men don't want to be seen by women with their penises out. Which can happen if there's urinals.

And the men who want to ... I definitely don't want to be in the same space with.

(I might start to self-identify my way into the men's when I start seeing men do the other way around. When things have progressed that far, it is in my best interest that men start complaining about people of the opposite sex just wandering into the toilet and claiming they're entitled to.)

I've recently been using the train more for commuting. I won't use the toilets at either of the two stations I use. One station toilet is set in a position where there's a wall obscuring the entrance door to the ladies and the men's. Anyone could go into either without being seen from the outside. They're not well used and the one time I used them I felt vulnerable and unsafe.

The other station the cubicles have low walls. The side of the first cubicle is immediately in front of the main entrance to the ladies and the entrance has an open door or no door. It occurred to me someone could hold up a selfie stick and film over the low cubicle wall without eccentric entering the room of toilets. It possess me of that I have to think about this stuff. I plan to write to both stations about it but don't expect much response.

So yes. This goes beyond the trans take over of out loos. Toilet planning has never put women's needs first.