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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Had anyone seen the play The Maids?

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QueenArseClangers · 17/11/2018 16:18

I’m going watching this soon. The plot plot revolves around two maids who plan to kill their mistress after spending time dressing up in her clothes and enacting sexually tinged role play and rituals.

This production has cast men in the three female parts (as the original writer suggested).
Thinking about this play it has struck me how reflective it sounds as an allegory of the eradication of women by TRAs Confused

Has anyone seen it?

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LassWiADelicateAir · 17/11/2018 16:29

Only the film version with Glenda Jackson, Susannah York and Vivian Merchant. I vaguely remember it being mannered and dull.

Did Genet suggest casting men? I doubt Genet had much of an insight to the female psyche (or much else that didn't involve being Jean Genet)

terryleather · 17/11/2018 16:31

I saw it a few years ago and enjoyed it.

At the time it resonated with me because of a work situation I was in, so I wasn't thinking about it from the perspective that you're taking.

I was sat in the front row. There was full frontal nudity.
We were so close I thought they'd have my eye out! Grin

Dreamscomingtrue · 17/11/2018 16:38

I saw the play a year or two ago. It was good but different from what I was expecting, I don’t remember any nudity, just dressing up in their employers clothes, but I wasn’t in the front row.

I didn’t realise that it was written for men to play the parts, I can’t see how it would work as well. I didn’t realise that it had been a film either, I thought it was just a new play.

cockBlocker · 17/11/2018 17:08

I've seen it and read it, but with women playing the parts. It's a great play in my opinion, but I'm disappointed men have been cast, there are so few good parts for women already. Not sure what they'd be trying to achieve casting men. The maids take it in turns to role play, imitating the mistress of the house and trying on her clothes. Maid play is a big subculture within transwomen, isn't it? Except here they would be maids for real, and it always fitted perfectly with women playing the roles, based upon a true story. www.thevintagenews.com/2017/05/12/the-papin-sisters-and-the-murder-case-that-still-haunts-france-after-more-than-80-years/

QueenArseClangers · 17/11/2018 17:23

Yeah, the fetishising of womanhood seems (unintentionally) to totally reflect what’s going on at the moment...

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cockBlocker · 17/11/2018 17:40

My initial reaction is it will turn a wonderful play about class and female oppression into a degrading male wank fantasy, so yes. Of course there could be some unforeseen reason for using men, you'll have to report back to us, I would be interested to know what they do with it.

QueenArseClangers · 17/11/2018 17:56

I shall deffo report back cockBlocker.
Not seeing it for a couple of weeks.
Isn’t it funny how one’s world view changes now the TRA scales have fallen away?

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qumquat · 17/11/2018 18:20

I saw it many moons ago with an all male cast. I always thought that it was meant to be played by males, although I didn't really get why. I remember enjoy it but feeling slightly awkward sitting next to my mum when the characters were masturbating.

LassWiADelicateAir · 17/11/2018 23:22

According to Wiki

^In an introduction written for The Maids, Jean-Paul Sartre quotes a line from Genet's novel Our Lady of the Flowers in which a character muses that if he had a play written for women he'd cast adolescent boys in the parts. Sartre then speculates on
"The Maids"^- so not specifically written for a male cast but mooted.

I'm really not seeing the issue in switching the sexes. The concept would work with an all female cast, an all male cast or mixed. It isn't a naturalistic play and theatre evolves and adapts. Shakespeare's tragic heroes played by women barely causes a raised eyebrow now and has generated some stunning performances.

With a male cast it wouldn't be dissimilar to Joseph Losey's The Servant

LassWiADelicateAir · 17/11/2018 23:24

I'm also not seeing why trans issues has to be shoehorned into this. It isn't the first time a male cast has been used.

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