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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

This is an interesting idea

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HomeStar · 16/11/2018 00:01

twitter.com/HairyLeggdHarpy/status/1062650718543400962

Transwomen claim the right to change in women's changing rooms, be on female wards in hospitals, participate in women's sports, go to women's prisons, strip search female suspects etc. on the basis of something that transwomen and women are alleged to have in common - gender identity.

It's pure bollox, of course. I don't have a "gender identity." So would the idea in the Twitter thread work? If you declare that you don't have a gender identity (and therefore you have neither gender nor sex in common with male-bodied people who are trying to get into women's single sex spaces) does that have any potential legal or bureaucratic protective effect?

What if women and girls did it en masse? Could it make life difficult enough for any of the bureacracies that are perpetrating this nonsense to get them to slow their roll? Surely we have just as much right to self-ID out of this new definition of womanhood, which does not apply to many women, as they do to self-ID into it.

I'm not a lawyer very obviously, or even a bureaucrat. I just find the logic of the idea very appealing and would love to know if it has any practical applications.

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Knicknackpaddyflak · 16/11/2018 10:55

Would also love to know this. Sex, and sex based rights, not gender. And absolutely women should have the right to opt out of this gender box they're being shoved in for the benefit and use of male born people.

citiesofbismuth · 16/11/2018 13:55

How would it work in practise though? They'll still want access to our spaces.

OldCrone · 16/11/2018 14:09

There is an argument that a forced belief in 'gender identity' is in conflict with Article 9 of the Human Rights Act. This protects 'freedom of thought, belief and religion'. We should not be compelled to believe in 'gender identity' any more than we can be compelled to hold any religious beliefs.

Jonny Best discusses this in this article: medium.com/@JonnnyBest/believe-in-innate-gender-or-else-say-the-police-4237baf692da

Article 9 protects everyone’s right to believe that gender is a social construct and to reject the concept of gender identity. Furthermore, gender critical feminism is clearly a non-religious belief which is sufficiently ‘serious’ and ‘worthy of respect in a democratic society’ to qualify for protection under the Act.

Thread here
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3424745-Believe-in-innate-gender-or-else-say-the-police-Jonny-Bests-latest-article?pg=2

UpstartCrow · 16/11/2018 14:19

Belief in gender identity is currently allowed to override safeguarding and 5 separate protected characteristics named in The Equality Act;

  • Sex based rights and protections
  • Protection based on sexual orientation
  • The belief that you cannot change sex
  • Religious beliefs including the need for single sex spaces, and that some activities cannot be performed in front of members of the opposite sex
  • Cultural beliefs including the need for single sex spaces, and that some activities cannot be performed in front of members of the opposite sex.
deepwatersolo · 16/11/2018 16:16

I suppose that is why the Wokes are so dead set on making it all about men and non-men as the two go-to categories. No matter what you identify as or not, as long as it is not explicitly ‚man‘, you‘ll be shoved into the non-men category.

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