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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Well that's me put back in my box then

35 replies

Babysharkdoodoodoodo · 14/11/2018 16:25

Has some LGBT training today and we were shown a slide with definitions on. And blimey: Fully front and centre is Cis woman in a box and then a box for trans.

Needlessly say I made a small objection as I'm not a Cis Woman. I'm a woman woman. You know born and bred female. But no..... apparently that's a matter of opinion and as I'm in a non political organisation I'm not allowed to contest this.

I did ahem, throw a teeny weeny tantrum but not in a loud way. Just in a I am real woman hear me roar way.

So then we had a lecture on the hardships of trans people and how being a woman is so easy. Gahhh!

And then given a pretty rainbow lanyard and a pat on the head

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Babysharkdoodoodoodo · 14/11/2018 16:26

Oh and the slides came from Stonewall.

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MIdgebabe · 14/11/2018 16:28

Could you reasonably meet the stonewall definition of trans non binary? If I recall correctly it includes anyone’s with no gender identity as well as people with what society at large might consider masculine and feminine aspects to their personality

Then you could come out and say how helpful the training was, how you never realised that your trans identity was holding you back.

Laceythesheep · 14/11/2018 16:31

If anything, at least you can say you tried. Possibly you speaking up has given other women an encouragement to think ‘hey whats going on here?’.

I always think that I want to be able to say to my grandchildren that I stood up and said no. I hope you’ve chucked the badge.

UpstartCrow · 14/11/2018 16:33

I think when I'm subjected to this reprogramming I'm going to be asking them lots and lots of questions.

FFSFFSFFS · 14/11/2018 16:39

Was there a box for cis men?

I find cis so deeply deeply offensive I would have rioted except for my total and utter social conditioning as a woman.

Fuckers.

FloralBunting · 14/11/2018 16:43

Nah, don't chuck the badge. As you are one of those awful witchy women, you should keep it to pop in your cauldron to do spells and stuff when all that boring sensible argument dullness doesn't make any inroads...

I'm dreading cobblers like this at work...

FekkoThePenguin · 14/11/2018 16:47

Write to HR. Also ask them how much the hot air from stonewall cost them and when are they doing disability inclusivity training.

IStandWithPosie · 14/11/2018 16:48

I’d make an official complaint OP. Honestly. We can’t let this shit slide. Do you have a union?

WitchBottle · 14/11/2018 16:50

I find cis so deeply deeply offensive I would have rioted except for my total and utter social conditioning as a woman.

My male colleague and friend went to some inclusivity training session that I ducked out of, and raised a right royal fuss about male cultural appropriation of women's biology and experiences. I think his ideas were received rather more respectfully because he is a fifty-something man with a silver beard, and I think he felt bad and conflicted because he was shushed by women.

He also got a rainbow lanyard.

Badstyley · 14/11/2018 16:51

Good job I won’t be doing anything like that. I think if I was called a cis lesbian I might unleash the wrath of Satan on them.

FekkoThePenguin · 14/11/2018 16:52

I would balk at the bloody rainbow. A few years ago it would have been fine - when it was good old LGB. Before it became GBT++++++

Threewheeler1 · 14/11/2018 16:56

Oh fnarp.
This bollocks is coming for us all, isn't it?
I wonder how many organisations up and down the country are having the rainbow lanyards made as we speak...

SkullPointerException · 14/11/2018 16:59

Oh, OP, I feel for you. But, well done. You spoke up, and that's what matters! Have a Wine

FWIW, I'm so dreading this moment. I know it's coming. In fact, I'm fully expecting it to make an appearance at this year's annual executive diversity training (where, somewhat ironically perhaps, I tend to be the only woman - maybe I should just ask that they label the boxes "Skull" and "people more like everyone else in the room"). Grin

FekkoThePenguin · 14/11/2018 17:17

Every time I see a company logo that has been 'rainbowed' I add them to my mental list.

Threewheeler1 · 14/11/2018 17:32

Yep, the rainbow has a predominantly different association for me now.

MrsFogi · 14/11/2018 17:37

You totally need to take this up with HR and if after your discussions they don't see an iota of sense you will need to show them the logical conclusion of this.... cis is so deeply offensive that you will need to self-identify as something else - do a Pip Bunce so that they really have their work cut out walking on eggshells to not offend you.

FekkoThePenguin · 14/11/2018 17:38

Doing a bunce only works of you have a penis.

Poppyred85 · 14/11/2018 17:51

Yep, tell them you are agender (as you don’t have a gender identity) or non binary. Currently you still prefer the pronouns she/her (as is your right) but that you are not cis. Then see what they say. If there’s any kind of attempt to knock you back tell them they are invalidating your identity, trans people exist and they are committing literal violence against you. Then demand how they are going to accommodate your trans identity.

FekkoThePenguin · 14/11/2018 18:06

And whatever they say - tell they are wrong and victimising you and it's literal violence. Then give yourself the rest of the day off as a 'break' and make threatening comments about lawyers and cake walks.

IStandWithPosie · 14/11/2018 18:10

The squeaky wheel gets the oil. Be a squeaky wheel. Grin

FekkoThePenguin · 14/11/2018 18:13

Think of a million was to be 'special' and let rip. One a day, even 2 with ever increasing demands. That should keep them busy.

Pluckedpencil · 14/11/2018 18:58

I do think the only way we can get over this is to all be 'special' and 'non-binary'. I would apply tomorrow and thank then for their enlightening training.

Lottapianos · 14/11/2018 18:59

'Possibly you speaking up has given other women an encouragement to think ‘hey whats going on here?’.'

I think that's true. I guarantee you were not the only person sitting in that room thinking 'WTF???' . Well done for speaking up

It's the lectures about how very very hard trans folks have it, and what a piece of piss women's lives are, that stick in my fucking craw most of all

NaturalBlondeYeahRight · 14/11/2018 19:10

I’m dreading this type of training. I have all these great speeches and arguements in my mind but then when I’m in the situation, it all disappears.

FekkoThePenguin · 14/11/2018 19:11

I'd probably resort to 'are you fucking kidding?'

I can be awfully eloquent...

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