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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Facilitating Wives Club - trying to break free!

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GoldenWonderwall · 14/11/2018 14:44

There were a couple of threads earlier in the year about facilitated men which I will link to once I’ve got this thread up and running. I found them very helpful in understanding why I was so frustrated and feeling like I wasn’t the only one stuck in my own life.

I’ve had enough facilitating and I want to do my own thing which is proving very difficult due to lack of available childcare, lack of flexible childcare, little additional support and lack of jobs that pay enough to cover the costs of going to work and the costs and inconvenience of both parents being out working.

My dh is very supportive and does not expect to be facilitated, though he thinks it’s daft me going out to work in a job I don’t want to do to earn money to cover the costs of the job that I don’t really want to do, that has no prospects and that impacts on everyone else.

I’ve tried working from home doing craft and I’ve tried setting up my own business which hasn’t worked out really. I haven’t tried volunteering yet or retraining or just getting any old job and seeing what happens. My confidence is down the drain and I feel very aware of not being someone’s first choice in any kind of work scenario.

I’m interested in this as a feminist, thoughtful issue rather than a knee jerk, aibu, get a job you lazy sahm freeloader because, as plenty of other women seemed to feel on the original threads, I am in this position due to sexism in the workplace. I’m now stuck here in a stereotyped sahm role with a husband who earns well and I feel like I’m supposed to be massively grateful I don’t need to work and all I want to do is throw things and weep for all my lost promise.

I’ll link to the facilitated man threads...

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GoldenWonderwall · 15/11/2018 11:32

countess that’s really interesting about your experience with volunteering. I suppose I don’t really know enough about it to pick somewhere that would be good experience for me as well as doing something valuable for others.

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rightreckoner · 15/11/2018 11:36

I’d say get a job. Any job. Not because Sahm isn’t legitimate but because you want to do something else and you don’t need to be at home now.

The economics of it for now are less important than rebuilding an identity out of the home. This may not be a career now but may turn into one. I don’t know how old you are but most likely you have decades left in which to make a job into something worthwhile.

Bowlofbabelfish · 15/11/2018 14:53

I remember you from the threads :) they were two of the best I’ve seen on MN (on there under an old name.)

What was your previous career?

GoldenWonderwall · 15/11/2018 19:32

right you’ve nailed it with the desire to rebuild my identity. I never feel like I get being a sahm and I don’t love it the way some people do. My mum worked full time so that was my normal. I don’t enjoy messy play or coming up with activities with kitchen utensils or drinking tea at baby groups either so working whilst being a mum feels more natural for me. I’ve been burned in the workplace so I feel I need to go back in, in a way I feel like I have some control and that I’m genuinely wanted. But it is about identity and wanting to be me as well as mum and wife.

babelfish I found those threads informative and cathartic! I still am not happy with myself that I make it harder for other women to succeed because my dh can travel, work late etc as he has me to pick up the slack but he is also making sure he supports women in his workplace so that provides a bit of balance.

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arranfan · 15/11/2018 20:12

I've met a lot of women recently who spent so long being facilitating and supportive wives that their identities and careers disappeared. Too many of them are now in the position where they've been through a disadvantageous divorce, are trying to find a job to make back their pension credits, and are in the age-group that is most affected by the change in pension age.

arranfan · 15/11/2018 20:32

I was very impressed with some of the volunteering opportunities posted on a recent thread and wished I had the free weekdays that would make the time commitment feasible.

www.imb.org.uk/join-now/current-vacancies/

Nacreous · 15/11/2018 20:44

What are your particular interests?

I currently volunteer with scouts, as I like the kids and I like helping them get outdoors. I'm also a trustee for my local women's institute.

In the past I've volunteered at a national trust house, and volunteered in schools. I've also done tech and props and backstage stuff for amateur dramatics. Variable in whether it's volunteering or a hobby but all very interesting things.

Other options I've looked at (but which aren't currently viable for me) are: citizens advice bureau, picking up leftover fresh foods from supermarkets, sorting it and dropping it off at different soup kitchens, joining a project which teaches adult women to read.

The breadth of volunteering opportunities is enormous and might make you feel less claustrophobic.

rightreckoner · 15/11/2018 20:44

You are not at all responsible for the position of other women in the workplace. You need to shed that consideration from your list. You seem to have taken a lot of responsibility on your plate - even if not that of being the breadwinner. The responsibility of creating a healthy and sustainable environment for women and work is not one you need to take on, so ditch that.

But I will put another responsibility onto you. The responsibility on you to be the most significant person in your own life. I think you may be finding it hard to be that person to yourself.

And what arranfan says is spot on. I am 50 and at my age women are really struggling because of earlier decisions to be at home because it made "economic sense". Throw in a couple of decades of life events - illness, death, divorce - and their decisions suddenly look incredibly damaging. I have stayed at work throughout (single parent so no choice anyway) and though it has almost killed me, it pays dividends at this stage in my life. Economically but also in terms of my sense of self and my independence. Also these damn kids, for whom we give up so much, are going to bugger off if we are doing this right. And then what is left for us?

GoldenWonderwall · 15/11/2018 21:49

arran this is one of my concerns. I really feel for women in those situations and I’m aware that it would be easy to walk into that future if you’re unlucky.

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GoldenWonderwall · 15/11/2018 22:04

right you’re right Grin I need to work on being able to put myself first without guilt or worrying about everyone else. It keeps coming up in the oddest of places. But I also don’t think it’s ok for me to not do something with myself that I feel satisfied with. I’m trying to square a circle I think rather than just letting it be.

The imb stuff sounds interesting arran but it’s not near here and I’m surrounded by prisons Smile

nec you’ve been busy! I think I will look into volunteering in mental health as it would potentially help me with work in the future. I’m also on the books as an occasional beaver Grin

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arranfan · 16/11/2018 11:28

Dropping in a link to the full Cassandra essay by Florence Nightingale as it's a barnstormer to read and still disturbingly relevant [NB: interesting, I've just had to self-edit obligatory commentary about some of her attitudes and privilege]:

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2920981/

Interesting commentary about it:

www.theguardian.com/books/2005/jan/29/featuresreviews.guardianreview35

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