Made up words and transgenderism

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Ok so tell if if I'm wrong but:

• if you identify as non-binary aren't you just a non-conforming person who doesn't conform to societies perceptions of being male or female?

-if you are a man dressing as a woman or a woman dressing as a man you are a transvestite?

-if you are a man wanting to be and live as a woman or a woman wanting to be a man you are transsexual not transgender? Do you have to want to change gender (not sex) to have a heterosexual relationship to be transsexual?

I find labelling something in a new way is just trying to repackage it and make it cool or fashionable and it betrays the reality and the misogyny at its roots.

Transsexuals have been quietly living their lives (whether they support self ID or not) and all these TRAs all just seem to me to be screaming for attention and making stuff up to make life difficult for everyone, mainly women of course.

What is actually wrong with saying a transwoman is a transwoman and a transman is a transman as this is respectful to both their born sex and feelings of gender and the journey they must go one etc...and there's nothing wrong with this. There will be more all-in-one public toilets for one (or will there?)...

I don't support self ID and am deeply concerned about safeguarding and frankly what are kids are now being taught in schools as it appears that science is no longer the basis for sex education according to some recent threads here. My son is a Pre schooler so I'm just hoping that this will be old fashioned in a few years and we can revert back to saying a boy has a penis and a girl has a vagina.

I'm scratching around for positives but having seen a video on our growing population today I wonder if all these children and young people who transition grow up sterile there will be increased adoptions and fewer natural births which would have a positive impact in our planet in time.

I know that's an odd train of thought but it's where I am with this whole debate right now!

You are not wrong, words have been deliberately obscured to hide the truth. transgender is a fabricated term to cover all manner of "alternative" lifestyles and sexual preferences. It is meaningless.

Trans, or transgender is a deliberate move away from the word transsexual, to try and sound more family friendly.....and more acceptable. It would sound odd to have a transsexual child of say age 9, who is too young to be having actual sex.
Many transsexuals do still want to refer to themselves as transsexuals.

@happydappy2 that makes sense to me. I'm terrified at all the dark stuff that's out there furries, the sexualised anime, PIE and how it's all targeted at normalising sex with children.

There's something about a softening of language around this. I for one will call a spade a spade.

I've tried to get people (my leftie academic friends, who in general are intelligent and think things through) to talk about this from the linguistic point of view, because I do find it quite sinister in a number of ways. The idea that we should now accept that the word female can be a feeling in someone's head rather than a biological reality is very worrying. But they can't even see any potential harm because many of them believe that this is just transsexuals and that it's the same as gay rights. They don't seem to consider the wider potential implications at all...which is also quite worrying!

@moimichme I do wonder why it's the word women and not the word man that's being redefined. Truly, I know this is at the very root of male privelage (if I say I'm a woman when I'm a man I'm a woman, because I say so) but if it was just 'all trans' people getting to choose then why is it a problem? Of course it's a problem because a woman is rarely a physical threat to a man and therein lies the rub.

I was thinking about the term sex change the other day - I'm certain this was explained to me in the '90s as what is called now 'bottom surgery' (and if we want to be clear in defining things it is most certainly not surgery on your bum)! - but now we say you can't change sex (you can't change sex) but we should just call it what it is - genital surgery or something that.

Made up words like cisgender and TERF just fuck me off but the real stuff that worries me is the dumbing down to make it more acceptable or less likely to be questioned.

Let's face it, that's why we got here in the first place, that's how crimes against children have been committed...talking about you Challenor.

It couldn’t be more obvious to me, transgender Children being used to open the door for transsexual men/cross dressers/ autogynephiles, to access spaces set aside specifically for the protection of women and children..
Trans women clearly also need safe spaces away from males that might hurt them, but that doesn’t give them a golden ticket into women’s spaces. Why isn’t mens space carved up to accommodate transwomen?

Oh god, I've had the biggest argument this week over 'non binary', which seems to mean nothing at all.

To me all the garbled explanations can best be summed as 'most people', lol

Good points above, especially about the effects on children and safeguarding because of the linguistic shift.

ContentiousOne I keep feeling so tempted to tell these people I'm non-binary too and see how they respond. As you say, it's pretty much a new nonsense term that should describe most people, since no-one is a walking and talking stereotype!

Oh god, non-binary raises the temperature of my piss to boiling point. If you’re really that free of gender, why start from the premise that it is a binary? I would no doubt be classed as NB, because I’ve been very GNC all my life, but I don’t accept that there are only two ways to be, so I just identify as me, which is actually way more special and unique. Than non-binary. Maybe it’s because I’m not pretending to smash the system that makes me not special enough.

Top and bottom surgery are vile. It sounds so enocuous, when it’s actually mutilation.

The tactic seems to be, make the ordinary sound special, while making invasive medical intervention sound completely ordinary. No, of course I’m not suspicious of a movement that seeks to alter and obscure meaning like that...

In fact scrub that last bit, seeks to make deeply dangerous medical intervention, deeply homophobic and misogynistic ideas and identity appropriation and colonisation, not to mention human rights abuses sound ordinary.

Just been reminded of another one, or a term at least, reading about the pregnant 'dad' in NZ FFS...this they/them seeming like one person is plural. If nothing else this is just bad grammar, and it's this non-binary, I can be anything I like sort of phrasing that is just confusing.

I will never ask my child to use they/them even as a preferred pronoun as it simply isn't correct sentence formation if referring to a singular person.

Can't it be 'this person' or whatever their name is and never use him/her/they.

Another way to be special and not ordinary.