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This has made me start Wednesday off in a real grump - The Pool article

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RitaFairclough · 07/11/2018 09:36

About why we British feminists are BAD...

www.the-pool.com/news-views/opinion/2018/45/Sarah-Reed-British-intersectional-feminism-failure-for-marginalised-women-June-Eric-Udorie

How dare she dismiss my feminism as 'girl power' because it doesn't centre men?

And how can she start off making a very good, very strong point about women being mistreated in prison, and go on to ignore the massive issue that is Holloway Prison having been closed two years ago and the women moved to prisons miles away from their families? AND then talk positively about self-id which would inevitably lead to more women facing abuse in prison?

AND AND - I'm so angry, can you tell? - then she implies that women of colour didn't get the vote in 1918 which is not true. The Representation of the People Act 1918 gave the vote to all women who met a property-ownership criteria. It didn't mention race.

I'm hoping this comes up on the Facebook page so I can comment on it.

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AspieAndProud · 07/11/2018 13:52

When the Americans elect two women presidents we’ll start taking lessons from them.

Scratch that, when the Americans elect two Republican women presidents we’ll start taking lessons from them.

TheCraicDealer · 07/11/2018 13:58

Loving Elizabeth Cook's work on the fb comments.

That article is ridiculous. Raving about protecting vulnerable women one minute then bashing GC feminism the next. One thing that will genuinely make women like Sarah Reed more vulnerable is failing to provide them with single-sex services when they need them the most. Talking out of their arse, as per.

Annandale · 07/11/2018 13:58

Well, when the uk has had a black woman as Foreign Secretary perhaps we could say we've done well?

Strengths and weaknesses on both sides.

tellmewhenthespaceshiplands · 07/11/2018 14:02

I began reading that article genuinely horrified at the treatment of Sarah Reed. Like others I too have not heard of this case (so many women treated f'ing badly, sadly there are always going to be more and more that we may not be familiar with) and could see some validity in what the writer was trying to get across.

And then she called me "cis".
And then she called our "debate" around GRA a feminist failure? WTF?

Crickey I've been on MN for half an hour today and I feel like a could throttle someone Confused

merrymouse · 07/11/2018 16:04

Why is the author claiming that not including men in feminism is the same as not including black women?

I’m pretty sure that under this definition I’m not a woman because
I don’t have a gender identity.

AspieAndProud · 07/11/2018 17:17

If they can point to any feminists saying black women aren’t women they might have a point.

Nicknamesalltaken · 07/11/2018 17:31

I read this and it absolutely made my piss boil. I commented, messaged them, and then deleted everything because I don’t want to see their poorly written misogynistic shit again.

NotTerfNorCis · 07/11/2018 18:03

I'm fully in support of understanding and campaigning for issues that affect women from ethnic minorities and other cultures - although in the past feminists have been called racist or imperialist for doing so.

I'm fully in favour of campaigning on issues related to unfair incarceration of women, or unfair treatment of women in the judicial system.

I'm fully in favour of supporting women with mental illness, if as the article's author suggests they're treated unfairly because they're women.

All of that is within the scope of feminism.

Redefining 'woman' into meaninglessness is not feminism and does nothing to help with real issues.

merrymouse · 07/11/2018 18:10

I’d like to point out that my local church is raising funds for a new spire. Where are the feminists? Nowhere to be seen. They have abandoned intersectionality in the name of ecclisiastical exclusionism!

mimivanne · 07/11/2018 18:13

Nicknames

I've messaged them and asked for a piece on womens fears for their safety,dignity and privacy for some balance

Coyoacan · 08/11/2018 02:28

Grrrr. She is a journalist and she is only writing about the tragic death of that black woman to make a point that has absolutely nothing to do with her or black women in prison. Then she blames the rest of us women who aren't journalists for not knowing about that lady. Gives me the rage.

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