US Elections Women's Fault/Responsibility

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But of course Trump is all women's fault.

Of course.

Fuck off Bergdorf.

www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/nov/4/idea-of-pro-trump-black-voters-terrifies-the-media/ Not an enjoyable read, but it's better to read it than waft it away like so many centrist and left wingers in the US apparently have. I wish they would take this sort of thing seriously BEFORE they lose elections to elite and cruel misogynists.

Honestly the Democrats should have had a thank you party or something for black women.

Frumpy I defer to you on that for sure.

Ooo typo first paragraph. Should read "basically the same percentage of white women who voted GOP"

Apologize, BTW. I do get wonky sometimes.

Bergdorf has zero political analysis skills, in fact Bergdorf probably has zero skills full stop, so I propose to pay as much attention to Bergdorf as I usually do. Which is none, just in case that's not clear.

I don't think the Dems will make gains.

What do they stand for apart from being against Trump atm?

The agenda is still lead by Trump. There isn't a leadership figure for the Dems.

There is a serious amount of gerrymandering going on. And a lot of Trump supporters are 'shy trumpers'. A lot of Americans really think he's doing a good job. And like racism and religious conservatism.

I'm not seeing enough of a lead for the Dems in the polling to offset that.

I'm worried.

If the Dems lose tomorrow, they won't lose the popular. Only question is whether they get enough to overcome gerrymandering.

That's cuz people got pissed in 2010 over death panel propaganda.

That 40% poll gets dissed because it's an outlier. NAACP poll in August said 14%.

There's voter suppression to contend with too.

It is strange that Munroe has absolved men of all responsibility. I wonder why the men aren't being called out so vociferously.

More MB telling women we're womaning wrong.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3180386-Munroe-Bergdorf-for-Grazia-Women-Are-Getting-Feminism-Wrong

Munroe also thinks that the fact that Brazilian trans sex workers are murdered at a high rate means that Munroe, a British transwoman who is not a sex worker, 'statistically only has 4 years left to live'.

Munroe isn't the brightest.....

Thing is, a fair few of those white men / women / people will have voted Obama, some of them will have voted for him twice.

Bit simplistic of Bergdorf (and many others) to dismiss them as Redneck racists when, as RTB says, the Democrats had nothing to offer except identity politics and "Hillary's a woman! It's [insert current year].

No of course. Nothing to offer but a woman with more experience than any candidate ever. But then the Republicans had a TV personality who'd gone bankrupt numerous times. I doubt many of the voters were former Obama supporters. A significant number of Obama supporters just didn't vote in 2016.

Um, not to diss too much, but health care is the leading issue.

GOP wants to take it away. Democrats want to keep it.

That's why we got the Big Lie about pre-existing conditions. "Of course we want to make sure you get coverage if you have a pre-existing condition. Don't look behind the curtain and see that wizard who voted to take your coverage away 90 times, or that lawsuit we have in the courts to give insurance companies the right to discriminate against sick people right now".

People who pay attention that's always a big if - but people who pay attention even know the GOP is so bad on this issue the insurance companies have opposed what they're trying to do.

Healthcare might be a leading issue.

However there are too many Americans who STILL are angry about their Affordable Care being removed but are adament that they want ObamaCare ditched.

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As long as Democrats do not go all in for Single Payer, Heath Care won't win them much. While helpful for people with preexisting conditions, Obamacare the rising premium costs have pretty much made it unaffordable for others. The way corporate Democrats ignore their base on this is appalling.

Redtoothbrush this is true.

And there's the whole "it's not single payer so I'm gonna stomp my foot" crew still around too.

Plus Trump is the PT Barnum of politics. No one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public.

Sorry, posted too soon. Democrats can't go for single payer right now. I kinda assume people know it's only one house possible.

M4A is what they're touting for 2020, but then there are the newly stacked with conservative activist judges.

We shall have to see.

And there's the whole "it's not single payer so I'm gonna stomp my foot" crew still around too.

That is quite condescending, considering those people 'stomp their foot' for no other reason than that people even with Obama care often cannot access health care, because they cannot afford the 10000$ deductable that the plan they were able to afford entails.

With your statement you literally shit on people who are de facto not covered while paying into an Obamacare plan.

Rent is too damn high. Might as well go homeless, eh?

Premiums are increasing because while the insurance companies negotiated a deal to get paid, Trump cut subsidies. That means average citizens pay those extra costs. If I come off as condescending, it's because I know shit like that. Those extra costs were planned, by Trump, to make you decide homeless is better.

Democrats cannot go in for SP right now because Democrats do not run any part of government, and their best hope for tomorrow is 1/2 of 1/3.

1. Premiums went up when Obama was still in office. You must know that, too.
2. 70% of US American voters want Medicare for all but the Democrat politicians are bribed way too well to support it.
3. This is the reason why Democrats did not even introduce Single payer when they had a supermajority.
4. Democrat politicians are paid so well that they'd rather lose than win on this election winner that Single payer is and lose the Big Pharma bribes.
5. The best hope for Dems is 1/2 of 1/3 because they consistently shit on their base for money.

That's why they choose themselves faux 'causes' that do not hurt their donors, like Russiagate and TWAW, while playing along with wars, huge military budget, the exploitation of people by financialized Health Care, the deregulation of Wall Street Obama couldn't even be arsed to reintroduce Glass Steagall with his supermajority - after the melt down of high finance in 2008 gave him every mandate to do so. Because he was bought, too.

I am so over this learned helplessness of Corporate Democrats 'but we can't do this, we need to be cautious'. Newsflash: This shit triangualtion never has and never will win you enough votes to change anything. Obama won because he did not sell himself as the grand triangulator, but because people falsely believed that he would upset the apple cart.

Am not caught up on America. Reading this thread (and ignoring Bergdof) is it (simplistically) that a vote for Trump will keep/reinstate sex but will worsen/remove health care for poor people?

But a vote for Democrats erodes biological sex even further but keeps healthcare?

If so, what fucking shitty choice.

There is so much this thread that is raising my blood pressure this fine Election Day morning...

First, Munroe can kindly butt out. I know of no American clamoring for a British model to weigh in with diktats on our election.

Second, the poll Trump seems to have been referring to when claiming 40% support from black people is Rasmussen's daily tracking poll one day in October.

Two points on that: Rasmussen is a partisan Republican outfit, and this was a daily tracking poll, not a completed formal poll.

So for a formal poll, callers will be in the field over a period of days to get a large enough sample for statistical significance. And they'll try hard to get enough respondents from each of the groups they're studying to make each sub-category statistically significant. This is impossible to do in one day.

A tracking poll is something different. It takes a daily "temperature" or mood of the public. As that changes over time it can be interesting to watch. But no one who understands polls, or math, would point to the inevitably small sample of a sub-category of respondents in a daily tracking poll and make sweeping claims that they represent the views of that group overall.

I can't find the number of respondents to that poll, so "40%" might mean 2 of the five black people they called that day approved of Trump.

The number is not at all in line black approval in the masses of polls we've had over the past 2 years, and there is no reason to believe there has been some amazing sudden shift because black people now love Brett Kavanaugh and caging children at the border.

Oh, and the Washington Times is part of the right wing news machine, like Fox News. It is not an impartial source.

I will come back later to address some of the Democratic stuff.

Bergdof's next series of tweets:

'White women, my eyebrows are not on fleek this morning and it's all your fault. Do better.'

'White women, I saw a really sad looking pigeon today, and it's all your fault. Do better'

Ack.

As for white women, I am trying to put my hands on the stat that shows how much of a factor evangelical Christianity is in that overall 52% white women voting for Trump. (It is huge).

Here are the CNN exit polls from 2016:
www.cnn.com/election/2016/results/exit-polls

According to this, white women overall made up 37% of the electorate and voted for Trump 52% to 43% (ugh). However, white born-again or evangelical Christians made up a full 26% of the electorate and voted for Trump 80% to 16%.

Look at these numbers alongside the college/non-college numbers and you can see that Trump absolutely got (and still has) strong support from white women who did not go to college and identify as born-again or evangelical Christians.

The issue is not exactly that "white women" need to do better. It's that a significant number of white girls in our country are being raised in religious fundamentalist communities (yes I know not all evangelicals are right-wing, but let's face it, it's most of them) that actively close themselves off from the rest of society, refusing to read "fake news," and often withdrawing from the public school system.

Certainly the women in these communities bear some responsibility for passing patriarchy and bigotry down to the next generation, but to lay the blame chiefly on them when it's the MEN in these groups Mike Pence, for example who benefit from their iron grip at the top of these sex and race power hierarchies, is just nuts.

I agree it probably mostly is Christian fundamentalists in the white women/ black men group voting for Trump. I think it is less a vote for Trump though and more specifically a vote against abortion rights.

It must have hurt voting for someone you know you wouldn't let your daughter alone with, or that would probably be fine with having your black son shot for getting too close to his property.