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Horrific fantasy of violence against women. (Upsetting )

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SirVixofVixHall · 05/11/2018 17:17

I’ve just seen this thread on twitter. We are just being silly not wanting someone like this in our changing rooms with our teenage daughters though, obv.

Horrific fantasy of violence against women. (Upsetting )
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DoYouLikeBasghetti · 05/11/2018 17:19

Wow Sad

FermatsTheorem · 05/11/2018 17:44

I read that a few days ago - someone is channeling his inner Ed Gein and it's pretty horrible (NB MNHQ maybe about a year ago Justine herself confirmed that a post would not get deleted for misgendering a male rapist - in refusing to call this person anything other than he, I am applying the same principle: it will be a cold day in hell before I call a man who has sexually motivated fantasies about dismembering women anything other than he.)

BeyondVicious · 05/11/2018 17:47

Wow.

Probably a tad irrelevant (or maybe very relevant?) but Jame Gumb wasn't transsexual, he was diagnosed with what would probably be considered AGP...

BeyondVicious · 05/11/2018 17:51

Hannibal Lecter: ...Billy is not a real transsexual. There are three major centers for transsexual surgery... I wouldn't be surprised if Billy had applied for sex reassignment at one or all of them and been rejected... Billy hates his own identity you see, and he thinks that makes him a transsexual.

...

Hannibal Lecter: First principles, Clarice. Simplicity. Read Marcus Aurelius. Of each particular thing ask: what is it in itself? What is its nature? What does he do, this man you seek?
Clarice Starling: He kills women...
Hannibal Lecter: No. That is incidental. What is the first and principal thing he does? What needs does he serve by killing?
Clarice Starling: Anger, um, social acceptance, and, huh, sexual frustrations, sir...
Hannibal Lecter: No! He covets. That is his nature. And how do we begin to covet, Clarice? Do we seek out things to covet? Make an effort to answer now.
Clarice Starling: No. We just...
Hannibal Lecter: No. We begin by coveting what we see every day. Don't you feel eyes moving over your body, Clarice? And don't your eyes seek out the things you want?

BeyondVicious · 05/11/2018 17:55

Sorry, specialist subject Blush
I will use this as an opportunity to bring out my favourite blog link though...
www.thesociologicalcinema.com/blog/the-not-so-hidden-transphobia-in-silence-of-the-lambs

Threewheeler1 · 05/11/2018 17:56

Bloody hell.
That's extreme.
I'd be worried about this man.
This has bugger all to do with his desire to transition, despite his claims the fantasies are a result of this, and everything to do with the fact he's a budding psychopath in a dress who hates women.
And the self-pity is overwhelming.

SirVixofVixHall · 05/11/2018 18:06

It is terrifying. If you read the actual thread apparently he has advertised himself as a cleaner, so some poor women could have him rummaging through her things.

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Threewheeler1 · 05/11/2018 18:24

Fuck. A cleaner?
That's a very deliberate career choice - the opportunity to get into people's personal, intimate spaces (the goal being women's I expect). I can only imagine what he might get up to in the homes of women who've employed him in good faith.

Ereshkigal · 05/11/2018 19:33

We also had this thread the other day discussing it. In it I also linked to another MTF who sought to explain their horrific fantasies about killing women as a facet of their own trans identify.

Just seen this on Facebook..
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3412090-just-seen-this-on-facebook

wingwarbler · 06/11/2018 08:39

Good grief (but sadly unsurprising) So this is the kind of stuff we also take along to our MPs, right? Has had any treatment?

It is all backwards. This is not happening because of him being transgender. These worrying thoughts and identity issues come first through some triggering circumstances, then are 'made sense of' and rationalised away by an ill mind as 'feeling transgender'. Owning and mastering the symptoms as part of oneself rather than experiencing disorder and 'madness'.

Similar to the poor woman Debbie, who transitioned to being a transman because she thought it explained and solved how she felt about her body, then later realised that she had been to try to get away from/ resolve the effects of being sexually abused by her father.

It is not rocket science. The human mind does stuff like this. Tries to make sense of stuff, even if it gets it (horribly and dangerously) wrong, but good grief, we have to be treating people for it. Helping them and protecting other people. Not enabling them and their self diagnosis and letting them into women's and girls spaces. We know that women tend to act inwards and that men tend to act outwards on others. The threat of that is real.

What has happened to all our psychiatrists? It cannot be wrong or literal violence) to judge that some symptoms are worrying and potentially dangerous and in need of treatment - actual treatment, not enabling.

Is the part of the problem that we as a society we lack the will to pay for the long term treatment of mentally ill and disturbed people? (as with prisoners) That we judge it to be too expensive? And we resent the money it costs.

We have decided though that it is cruel and barbaric to just lock people up and throw away the key, or execute people (dammit, how inconvenient some say), but if we cannot/ will not pay for proper treatment, then we cannot pathologise symptoms because that would be expensive and so it must become something that society has to live with and tolerate, and thus we have to be brainwashed into thinking it can be acceptable?

Hence the enabling and colluding culture. Just another part of Care in the Community, but of course it is not because we all want to and can care for ill people and feel it our human duty, but it is just to save money, because we also do not want to pay for it someone else to do it.

Doctors collude because they are part of the system and/or misogynist, and/or because they have no budget for alternative treatment, and become disillusioned and rescuers because some MH problems are intractable and resist being cured, but can only be managed. They feel the toll and drudge of long term care (as carers do, as women do), made more miserable due to lack of funds, and so are susceptible to quick fixes or finding ways to rid themselves of their burden.

So the real goal is not tolerance, or removing stigma for the benefit of mentally ill people or oppressed people, the real goal is to save money?

Even the best of us feel the dead weight of long term problems, and we have got used to thinking that the state can help us and take some weight from us - but the state is cutting back and we are feeling more and more fall back onto our (women's) shoulders. We barely even have religious organisations to do help us nowadays.

So now we are having to (re)learn how to manage these problems as if there was no state.. prisoners, the mentally ill, caring for our elderly. How do we do it? Who pays the price? The price of an increasingly narcissistic society. This is our reality now. The post-war boom is long gone.

Then we have all the dangerous agendas that are continually looking for a horse to ride in on.

It has all been said before I know, but just musing. What a fucking nightmare we live in.

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