Detransition is caused by transphobia, apparently!

[papayasareyum]

every trans rights activist source I’ve read and in mainstream society and other published works from official sounding organisations (those with a diversity policy) there’s this idea that detransition is caused by transphobia. Why do TRAs refuse to accept the notion that some (if not all) people who detransition, do so because they made a huge mistake and should never have transitioned in the first place? I know that to accept this, they’d then be forced to acknowledge the fact that possibly, just possibly, transitioning happens too soon and too frequently with people who might then later regret it and realise there were other things going on (like being gay and either them, their family or culture not accepting it)
I believe a senior academic wanted to do a research study on detransition but was refused permission because it was “politically incorrect” and might hurt feelings.

Well, I always thought it was reality and expectations failing to meet. Which is my opinion. If there is never any good quality research allowed on the subject, we will only ever have opinions.

It's seen as conversion therapy isn't it?

I've just seen that Jazz Jennings underwent regression therapy awhile ago and part of Jazz's "recovered memories" was that he used to be a gay man who was rejected by his family and who died alone.

If this is subtext to the transition, it seems to me that the conversion therapy is surgically altering bodies to avoid being gay.

this whole subject drives me nuts. Why is the stuff pedalled by the likes of Stonewall seen as received wisdom and yet actual science and proven fact seen as transphobia?!!

Surely if detransitioning was caused by transphobia, the fact that everything is transphobic would mean there would be a hell of a lot more of them?

So which is it TRAs? Is there not as much transphobia/it's not as bad as you claim, or does detransitioning perhaps have other causes...?

If they were right, a good study accounting for all variables would show that.

They know they're not.

Hence objecting to studies.

My woke friends were referring to various transsexuals who don't toe their party line as "transphobic" The word has no meaning any more.

I know it's a typo papaya but I'm getting an image of Stonewall pedalling along on a rather wobbly push-bike overloaded with dogma.

The moral of the story is, nobody is allowed to speak for transpeople except for transpeople, and nobody is allowed to speak for anyone else except for, you guessed it, transpeople. Only our trans overlords and overlaydees are permitted to speak.

But only the right transpeople badstyley. If they say the wrong things they're out too.

The transpeople who say the wrong thing are in that case not true trans, so they are permitted to stfu like the rest of us.

There are some Muslim countries which are officially 98% Muslim. The powers that be absolutely refuse to acknowledge that some people might be atheists. I'm sure we were similar in the Elizabethan era when everyone was kind of officially Protestant.

Anyone pushing an ideology does not like losing their grip, not for one moment. Better to blindly deny reality than admit not everyone is sucked in by it. Do you remember the guy in Iraq when American forces were advancing, telling everyone on television 'we're doing great. We're winning battles against them,' when in fact the Americans virtually walked in without much opposition on the ground?

Any decent human being would find de-transitioning heart-breaking because the individuals who do it will be left with permanent scars. If this wasn't a men's rights movement, you might see, as an alternative, the trans community pleading for better research and care so that as few people end up feeling the need to de-transition as possible

I believe a senior academic wanted to do a research study on detransition but was refused permission because it was “politically incorrect” and might hurt feelings.

James Caspian, psychotherapist who has professional knowledge of trans issues, Bath Spa University, doing a Master's degree, but blocked from researching detransitioners:
www.theguardian.com/education/2017/sep/25/bath-spa-university-transgender-gender-reassignment-reversal-research

He is crowdfunding a legal challenge to the university's decision:
www.crowdjustice.com/case/free-speech-matters-round2/

I have regularly heard trans people, individually and categorically, referred to as scum by TRAs.
I have been warned that Mumsnet was a cesspit of transphobia. I have rarely encountered people on here calling groups of trans people scum. The occasional individual, for something truly heinous like rape, but not categories.

Latest update from James Caspian, via Crowdfunding

Update on Free Speech Matters

Dear Friends and Supporters,

"Trans Kids, it's Time to Talk" was shown last Wednesday, and I took part, talking about my research into detransitioners and how it was prevented. If you didn't see it and would like to watch it you can get it for the next 27 days here

www.channel4.com/programmes/trans-kids-its-time-to-talk

The Crowdjustice fund has just passed £7,000 (the stretch target is currently £10,000 and ultimately £35,000) and I am getting better at handling Twitter, which I was advised was crucial in getting the word out about my case. A huge thank you again to all of you who have contributed and kept me going, especially through the difficult times.

Please send the link about the programme out to your contacts and mention my Crowdjustice page and link

www.crowdjustice.com/case/free-speech-matters-round2/

The media coverage of the whole issue is intensifying and I think my case is more relevant and important than ever to get a ruling that will prevent censorship of crucial research.

Many thanks,

James.

It sounds like Schrödinger’s detransitioner - simultaneously Not Really Trans otherwise they wouldn’t have any regrets, and Actually Trans and a victim of cruel transphobia that made them go back in the closet.

I worked in a service for trans people who are only referred after embarking on transition. They would be at various stages of transition but many were referred by the local gender identity clinic so had already waited a long time for appointments and had been reported by GIC professionals as having a settled plan to transition. I encountered two detransitioners even in the very few I worked with not because of me I hope I think it's pretty common. But it should be researched properly rather than subject to impressions of people like me.