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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

The 98 US Candidates who want to eliminate Title IX sex-based protections for women

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breastfeedingclownfish · 04/11/2018 21:07

gendertrender.wordpress.com/2018/11/04/the-98-us-candidates-who-want-to-eliminate-title-ix-sex-based-protections-for-women/

Official left wing policy now it seems

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VickyEadie · 04/11/2018 21:10

And of course, some of them are women.

GrinitchSpinach · 04/11/2018 21:26

Uggggh. This is extremely depressing.

FWRLurker · 04/11/2018 21:31

My candidate did NOT sign this letter!

Probably because if he had he'd have no chance in this relatively red district...

SEriously though it's F'd up. Why can't we have separate protected categories for gender expression / ID and sex!?

Also Title 9 is a travesty - in colleges it often prevents women from getting the help they need when they are assaulted because of the obscure beaurocratic process.

PencilsInSpace · 04/11/2018 22:25

Also Title 9 is a travesty - in colleges it often prevents women from getting the help they need when they are assaulted because of the obscure beaurocratic process

Can you say more about this? I'm trying to learn more about US law and how it works on the ground.

FWRLurker · 04/11/2018 23:42

I think that Title IX's primary purpose in the cases of sexual misconduct is acting as a legal shield for universities and schools and does NOT work in the best interests of individuals it is supposed to serve. I'm talking from the perspective of publicly funded college, in the context of sexual misconduct by the way. Not sure how it works for high school and earlier.

Basically by going to your local Title IX office instead of police, you are agreeing to let the situation be taken care of by an anonymous panel of students and faculty instead of through the legal process. Once the panel takes it on, it's no longer public - the entire process is completely hush-hush until a verdict is reached and even if a party is eventually found responsible, the worst that can happen is they are expelled.

The primary issue in my view is that the University has every incentive to keep the process private, internal and out of the press. Thus actually actionable crimes may be swept under the rug (and have been). While the Title IX officers are obligated to inform you of your right to call the police, the unspoken implication is there that this isn't really necessary, because Title IX will protect you.

During the process you'll need to stand in front of a panel of your peers and faculty (misconduct board) and communicate to them the details about your assault. Your attacker will also be there. So rather than talking about sensitive issues with social workers, police (aka trained professionals) you have to work with people who have maybe a few hours of training in "misconduct".

Ultimately it can take months or even years and during that time the school is obligated to continue to educate both parties (if it's a student-student case) meaning you may still have to go to class with your attacker.

Title IX does preserve the existence of women's sports and for that it is valuable. But it has been used/interpreted in very weird ways subsequently, mostly due to the difficulty of passing new laws in our political system.

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FWRLurker · 05/11/2018 01:11

Re the original list, it's I think worth pointing out that the opponents of all of these people are to a person anti choice, and likely to also be anti contraception anti-gay mysognists.

IdaBWells · 05/11/2018 04:16

Urrgh there are a ton of signers in my state. I don’t have US citizenship so can’t vote but my DH and 18 year old dd (who voted for the first time!) have already voted and basically choose a straight Democrat ticket because neither of them can stand Trump. I need to find out if anyone they voted for signed the letter.

PencilsInSpace · 05/11/2018 08:10

Oh that doesn't sound good. Sexual assault should be treated as the crime that it is. It reminds me of that business with the socialist workers party when they were handling rape allegations internally.

Charliethefeminist · 05/11/2018 08:31

Thanks for sharing this. It's so important. I love the way gender trender writes it. So much transgenderism is word salad aimed at disguising the misogyny and homophobia. GT strips all that away.

LillyoftheCentralValley · 05/11/2018 10:11

Most of the people on that list aren't left wing -- centrists for the most part. Most probably get donations and advice from the same male centric gay organizations which have made TWAW their mantra in order to maintain a sense of purpose (and funding) while tossing lesbians to the dogs.

The trick is to remove the college liability shield while maintaining equity for women's sports (and keeping women's sports women's sports). Since equity for women's sports is still reviled and forbidding sex discrimination was only added to Title IX as a joke to get the thing defeated when it was first passed, it will be a fight.

We may lose a round or a generation or two until people wake up and get tired of praising world class male bodied "women" athletes.

IMO, the worst scenario right now is if the House flips and Trump tries to make a stand over it and the House decides to make the opposite stand. Polarized politics becomes a righteous cause, and steamrolls right over good policy.

This is why Trump's position on trans was not a good thing and made things worse.

Charliethefeminist · 05/11/2018 10:14

Trump has a position on sex, not transgender.

breastfeedingclownfish · 05/11/2018 10:24

Trump is an idiot but the US is so polarised that his opponents will do the polar opposite of his position regardless. The whole thing is nuts.

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AspieAndProud · 05/11/2018 10:33

I trust colleges to conduct internal investigations as much as I trustvthe Catholic Church.

Title IX was meant to ensure women got equal access to sports facilities, not so colleges could cover up allegations of sexual abuse.

And it’s sod all to do with transgenderism, whatever Obama thought.

AspieAndProud · 05/11/2018 10:34

Trump has a position on sex

Thanks for that image.

(Shudder)

Charliethefeminist · 05/11/2018 11:00

I'm sorry, here's an picture of him fully clothed to drive the sex image away

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The 98 US Candidates who want to eliminate Title IX sex-based protections for women
GrinitchSpinach · 05/11/2018 11:13

Our eyes, Charlie, our eyes!

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Charliethefeminist · 05/11/2018 11:18

Thicc

Sorry wims

Bowlofbabelfish · 05/11/2018 13:34

Ah that’s interesting. I’ve read several of these cases where a serious assault is dealt with by a college rather than the police and I’ve sleays been struck by how odd (and loaded against the victim) that is. This explains why

LillyoftheCentralValley · 05/11/2018 18:56

Polarization in the US didn't start with Trump. It started with Gingrich and Grover Norquist.

Obama's DOJ tried to change Title IX to include other categories.

The "we have to hold true to our conservative principles" Congress would prevented any changes that expanded anti-discrimination rights to trans while protecting women (jobs, housing, etc. are legitimate concerns). They would have, and did, oppose any expansion of anti-discrimination law to anyone. The "just say no" strategy was baked in as of 1992.

Chicken. Egg.

GOP doesn't care about anyone's rights other than a white straight preferably wealthy male, and only those rights as long as it doesn't involve them paying taxes. They bash others to rally straight white men to their cause.

It's not a polar opposite approach by the Democrats. It's the "we've forgotten that creating new good policy is possible so we jerryrig what we can" approach.

The text of the changes is "sex". The motive behind it is "trans" and The Gay.

Both sides are lacking.

FWRLurker · 05/11/2018 20:03

Lilly has summarized this well.

It's a broken system with both sides determined obstructionists and policy wedded to opinions of the elite funders within each party.

breastfeedingclownfish · 05/11/2018 21:27

Oh I didn't say Trump started the polarisation it. But he superpimped it. And made the media lose their minds. He plays them, every single time. You think they would start to get it

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LillyoftheCentralValley · 06/11/2018 00:41

He superpimped it bigly, and he, specifically, started when the black man was president.

But, a lot of people ignore that the GOP was leading the way long before he was yelling about Kenyans being transported via time travel to Hawaii because that one black baby could grow up to be president.

A lot of people just don't get how destructive that has been to our politics and how long it has been going on.

The media is stuck in bothsiderisms, loyal to corporate owners and living in a weird Beltway Bubble denial that they're getting played.

It's traceable to Newt Gingrich and his Contract On For America, and Grover Norquist - Read My Lips No Taxes Ever Pledge.

Trump and the Kochs are just parvenu opportunists.

I just think it's important to understand where the roots are, and why the Democrats are reacting the way they are.

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