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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

The protective effect of being transgender. Army declines to prosecute affair.

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charlestonchaplin · 04/11/2018 07:21

We've already had foul abuse by transwoman women's officers overlooked by the Labour party. Now the first British 'woman' to serve on the front line in the Army, transwoman Chloe Allen has apparently living with the wife of another soldier. This is prohibited under military law but apparently senior officers have declined to take action in this case.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6350311/Transgender-soldier-affair-soldiers-wife.html

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Frankenterfer · 04/11/2018 07:39

I'm more angry that this man got lauded as the first woman in a combat role, I mean wtf.

The world has gone mad.

JoggerBottom · 04/11/2018 07:48

I came on here to post about this. It has made me so angry.

Using their position to get around law is unacceptable. I feel very sorry for the husband in this case and also the children.

SimilarSituationToChloe · 04/11/2018 07:58

I was in a similar situation to Chloe.

I discovered that my (now ex) husband was having an affair with another serving colleague. At that time, both were senior NCOs & as such were in charge of junior ranks (incl discipline & welfare).

I found out that the affair had been going on for 6 years, since the birth of our youngest child.

I put in service complaints about both of them, and was told that 'due to human rights laws - specifically right to a private life - the services could no longer discipline serving members for having affairs with colleagues (despite this being explicitly given as an example of dishonourable conduct).

We were separated for 6 months following this (even though he split up with her as soon as I found out) & after 6 months I agreed to marriage counselling. We got back together a few months later.

3 years after that, I again discovered he was having an affair - with the same woman.
They were both Warrant Officers at this point (the highest non-commissioned rank). It transpired that they had never actually split up at all, 4 years previously.

I again put in service complaints about their conduct, and also about the misleading nature of the disciplinary code (which still listed extra-marital affairs as against the rules).

I was again dismissed with the 'they have a right to a private life' line.

Sadly, the way Chloe's case has been reported is misleading - Chloe is not getting special treatment, the forces do not give a shit about extramarital affairs anymore - regardless of who is having them.

Chloe's a shit for doing it, but Chloe isn't being treated any different to anyone else in the same situation in this case.

CosmicCanary · 04/11/2018 08:00

Reading the article it appears he was caught commiting an act of misconduct (cross dressing) so to stop diciplinary action stated he was trans. Hmm

The rules about affairs exist for a good reason and for any other serving soildier the correct action would be taken. If transpeople want to be treated equally then they should face the consequences of breaking the rules same as everyone else.Angry

Also "first women on the front line" makes me sick!!

Women in the AF have achieved so much yet they are overlooked by a man with a kink.

charlestonchaplin · 04/11/2018 08:18

Fair enough, SimilarsituationtoChloe, though Chloe is actually the one having an affair. The source the Mail quotes says the husband would be prosecuted if he had an affair, implying it is Chloe's transgender status that protects Chloe from prosecution.

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merrymouse · 04/11/2018 08:22

Why would cross dressing be misconduct?

merrymouse · 04/11/2018 08:29

It’s not clear from the article whether they are having an affair or just living together.

There’s s bit of a creepy detail about her buying sheets and taking delivery of a double bed (presumably photographer was following her?) as though a double bed is somehow proof of sex.

CosmicCanary · 04/11/2018 08:35

Why would cross dressing be misconduct?

Behind closed doors it isnt but if done while "on duty" or in a way that embaress/bring the army in to disrepute then it is. Same as when in uniform all must act in a proffessional manner.

charlestonchaplin · 04/11/2018 08:46

The article actually says a king-size bed.

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TheFairyCaravan · 04/11/2018 11:08

The source the Mail quotes says the husband would be prosecuted if he had an affair, implying it is Chloe's transgender status that protects Chloe from prosecution.

You shouldn't believe source from the Mail quotes. I've been a Military wife for a very long time, I've never known anyone be prosecuted for having an affair with another serving member's spouse/partner. Many years ago sometimes people were given 24 hour postings but even that doesn't happen now.

Chloe came out as trans a year, maybe 2 ago. I don't think it was done to avoid getting into trouble over this.

Vixxxy · 04/11/2018 14:57

Reading the article it appears he was caught commiting an act of misconduct (cross dressing) so to stop diciplinary action stated he was trans.

Crossdressing is classed as misconduct?

This guy annoyed the fuck out of me, the way he was lauded for being the first woman on the front line or similar, back at a time when actual women were still going through training to be able to do that.

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