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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Self ID: White man identifies as African (ok not really feminism)

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Needmoresleep · 04/11/2018 03:51

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6350675/White-theatre-director-classes-born-African.html

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ErrolTheDragon · 05/11/2018 14:07

From what I read, including what she has posted on this board, I like Debbie Hayton, and so be more than delighted to be invited on a girls night out to include Debbie. She identifies as a woman and I can accept her as a woman, but that does not make her a woman

Me too - but partly that's precisely because she has very specifically said she identifies with women, not 'as a woman', and accepts being male. (Debbie is one of the few TW who I can refer to as 'she' without thinking about it)

stillathing · 05/11/2018 14:52

If a bursary or service is offered to a specific group of people it will automatically exclude those who fall outside of that group. The provider needs to specify where the group boundary is. There probably also needs to be a decent reason to offer to that group at the exclusion of others. Wherever you draw the boundary with whatever group there are always going to be people who feel excluded or upset to be the "wrong" side of it. But there's always going to be a boundary unless your resources are infinite. If the theatre fund was for anyone then the self selecting groups to benefit would be the loudest /most organised /pushiest/most confident /most time to spare to search for funding etc which would in a way be a boundary excluding those who don't have those qualities.

I guess in this instance they've drawn the boundary not at actual race or heritage but reported experience. He's clearly a very confident man to have pulled this off. I'm a very white person with a foreign name who has experienced discrimination in job applications because of my name. I can't imagine trying to equate that with a lived experience of being black though. Part of white privilege, I think, is not even realising all the ways in which I have that privilege.

Ironically sex is probably the easiest and most scientifically provable way to group people. Grouping people by gender a la girl guides and co is really quite weird if you think about it, especially as there's so much disagreement about what gender is, whether it is chosen, imposed or innate and how many genders there are.

QuietContraryMary · 05/11/2018 15:53

Jenny17: agreed. The thing about him was that it was shown that both his parents are white and then he came out with 'ah but my biological father is someone else'. Whether this was true, or just a response to being called on his bullshit is a question.

Certainly, the world was much quicker to throw Rachel Dolezal under the bus.

Needmoresleep · 05/11/2018 23:48

Would self-identifying as black be sufficient to allow him to sue for racial discrimination if the need arose?

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