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Please can you complain - LEEDS CITY COUNCIL

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AverageAvenger · 01/11/2018 18:44

The defamatory and completely unsubstantiated email from Cllr Jessica Lennox to Cllr Judith Blake, Leader of Leeds City Council is one of the most extreme and pernicious pieces of vitriol I’ve read by a person in public office. It would be so helpful to those at LCC who are still battling on behalf of WPUK and women if you’d consider complaining.

Link here: www.leeds.gov.uk/your-council/councillors-and-democracy/code-of-conduct

Email here:

“I’m writing to you with great urgency, as I have been made aware this morning that the Civic Hall has been booked for use this evening by a group called A Woman’s Place.
A Woman’s Place is a group dedicated to attacking the rights and freedoms of trans women to define themselves as such, and live and interact as women in public spaces. They claim that the existence of trans women in public spaces puts women at risk of harm and discrimination. They claim to speak the “truth”, but in reality practice nothing more than hate speech against an extremely marginalised and vulnerable group. Most disgustingly, they regularly accuse trans women of being perpetrators of rape and sexual assault, when plentiful evidence shows that trans women are disproportionately at risk of violence themselves.
Please see the email below. Not only has this group been allowed to book a room at the Civic Hall for their hate rally, they have seemingly also secured security protection and special treatment.
This year, Leeds Pride was led by Trans Leeds as a show of solidarity and resistance against the growing hate, discrimination and violence that trans women experience. The LGBT community and its allies from across Leeds united in a display of visible, unwavering support for the Trans community, and it was the biggest and most euphoric Pride I remember since moving to our city.
How then, can we sanction a group which seeks to harm and dehumanise the trans community in such insidious and malevolent ways, by allowing them to use the civic heart of our city to promote their hatred?
My colleagues and I request that immediate action is taken to establish how this booking was made, to cancel it immediately, and to ensure that Leeds’ integrity as an ally and a supporter of the Trans community is not sullied and embarrassed by giving a platform for a small number of bigots who hold completely unacceptable views.
Yours Faithfully
Cllr Jessica Lennox”

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WarmWishes · 02/11/2018 12:13

Am referring to the ridiculous reference to the country being on high alert for terrorism not to your post crone.

Avegemitesandwich · 02/11/2018 12:14

It's worth stating that this took place during a public consultation on this issue and Woman's Place UK's "unacceptable" views are to want to maintain the existing laws.

I think this is worth saying again! It's unbelievable!

Stilettosandan0venglove · 02/11/2018 12:18

Datun Here's the (rather lengthy) email Cllr Judith Black sent in response to my complaint about the cancellation. It's clear, I think, that the safety concerns were about the possibility of violent protests against WPUK.

Thank you for your email regarding the cancellation of the Woman’s Place UK booking in the Civic Hall on the 28th September 2018 and apologies for the delay in responding.

Please find below an explanation of the circumstances that arose on that day which resulted in the cancellation of this booking.

On the morning of Friday 28th September 2018, the Council received a large number of complaints regarding an event that was due to take place in the Civic Hall, hosted by Woman's Place UK. Those complaints referred to concerns about the alleged use of controversial and potentially discriminatory language at similar events that had been organised by the group in other parts of the country.

Upon receiving these complaints, officers looked into the event being held and found that the organisers of the event had not been open and honest with the Council regarding their room booking and the nature of the event they were proposing to hold. The booking had been described as a Woman's Peace Event, but there had been no reference during the booking process to there being serious safety concerns which, when discussed with the organiser on the day, they confirmed their events had previously been subject to serious protests and bomb threats. We understand that it was for these reasons that they had not been fully open with us on the nature of the event and why they had purposely not informed attendees of the venue until the day of the meeting.

In light of this information and the large number of complaints received, the council took the view that in the absence of undertaking proper risk, safety and equality assessments, which could not reasonably and responsibly be undertaken within the time available to us, that the Council had no choice but to cancel the booking on the grounds of security and safety.

The Civic Hall is the city’s primary public building and the safety of staff and visitors is our key concern for all events taking place in the building.

In regard to the equality concerns, as you will be aware the council is committed to public sector guidelines on equality and does extensive work towards eliminating harassment and discrimination in Leeds. We must have due regard to the need to eliminate discrimination, harassment and victimisation, and the need to advance equality of opportunity and foster good relations between different communities. It became clear on the day of the proposed event from the number of complaints received, that there were significant concerns regarding the event and its potential negative impact on community relations.

The Council was therefore under a duty to consider whether the holding of this meeting at the Civic Hall, and the impact of that meeting and the views expressed by those attending, would be likely to help promote understanding and tackle prejudice between different communities, or not. It was therefore reasonable for the Council to also take these matters into account in arriving at its decision to cancel the meeting, particularly as an equality impact assessment had not been undertaken and, therefore, the Council could not be reassured that its equality duties could be adhered to.

With the significant security concerns and with our equality duties in mind, and in the absence of relevant security, risk and equality assessments been carried out, council officers had no choice but to cancel this booking.

It is important to stress that had the group making the booking been more open and honest with us, it would have given us more opportunity to work with them to fully consider all security, safety, risk and equality concerns. I would also emphasise that Woman's Place UK are not banned from meeting in Council venues, rather they must ensure that in any future bookings they are open with us on the nature of any events so all of the necessary assessments and preparatory work can be undertaken.

I do hope that this provides you with an explanation why this booking had to be cancelled due to safety concerns.

Regards

Councillor Judith Blake CBE

Ereshkigal · 02/11/2018 12:25

Those complaints referred to concerns about the alleged use of controversial and potentially discriminatory language at similar events that had been organised by the group in other parts of the country.

What language would that be then? Women's Place UK do not use any such language to my knowledge. Personally speaking I find them to pussyfoot around too much, so it is interesting to hear about this "controversial and potentially discriminatory language". I suspect they're being lumped together with other women's organisations. They have always platformed MTF speakers.

CrazyToast · 02/11/2018 13:28

Could someone share these emails with the media, perhaps the Times or the Guardian?

If no one replies to say they will do that, I will because I think it should be known how they are running the council.

OldCrone · 02/11/2018 13:36

The booking had been described as a Woman's Peace Event, but there had been no reference during the booking process to there being serious safety concerns which, when discussed with the organiser on the day, they confirmed their events had previously been subject to serious protests and bomb threats.

In Jessica Lennox's email to the other councillors at 12.02 on 28th September, she says:
Not only has this group been allowed to book a room at the Civic Hall for their hate rally, they have seemingly also secured security protection and special treatment.

So were the security risks discussed at the time of booking? Jessica Lennox says they were, Judith Blake says they weren't. Someone is lying.

AverageAvenger · 02/11/2018 13:40

OldCrone - exactly.

They were absolutely aware and had been for months.

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Ereshkigal · 02/11/2018 13:41

So were the security risks discussed at the time of booking? Jessica Lennox says they were, Judith Blake says they weren't. Someone is lying.

From the booking form it looks like Blake is the one lying as the form mentions request for extra security.

Waterparc · 02/11/2018 13:43

“ It would be so helpful to those at LCC who are still battling on behalf of WPUK and women if you’d consider complaining”

OP, so there are people within the Council opposed to Lennox’s actions? Can people not in Leeds help?

I would happily attend a surgery but I am in a neighbouring borough -is it like your MP where you have to be a constituent?

Datun · 02/11/2018 13:43

They are lying, aren't they?

The banged to rights.

And yet, still no one has described the controversial content?

Datun · 02/11/2018 13:44

So if they knew, was it the onslaught of emails that made them get cold feet? Were they genuinely worried about violence? Or about their woke creds?

AverageAvenger · 02/11/2018 13:47

Waterparc - yes there are councillors actively pursuing this and demanding the truth. It’s not going to go away.

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Ereshkigal · 02/11/2018 13:49

All the correspondence is concerned with the woke optics.

Iizzyb · 02/11/2018 13:53

Poking my head above the parapet to say I'm a leeds council tax payer I'll complain to Judith Blake and my ward councillors & I'll see if I can persuade dm to complain too given she has much more dynamic ward councillors and they tend to actually do things.

I am ashamed that women were stopped from meeting to discuss the consultation on changes to the law and/or stopped from meeting because of the threat of protesters causing trouble because they were meeting in the first place.

I thought we lived in a democracy. Absolute abuse of power this.

AverageAvenger · 02/11/2018 13:56

Thank you lizzyb.

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OldCrone · 02/11/2018 14:09

So if they knew, was it the onslaught of emails that made them get cold feet?

Most likely the email from Jessica Lennox, which was full of lies and smears about WPUK. How many of the other councillors had actually heard of WPUK and knew what the meeting was really about? It looks as though many of them had no idea what was really going on, with Jessica Lennox and a few others convincing them that WPUK was a hate group that should never have been allowed to make the booking in the first place.

On 28 Sep 2018, at 12:40, Rogers, James wrote: Thanks. Is it right that none of us knew this was happening in the Civic Hall tonight until we received the email below?

Datun · 02/11/2018 14:10

That email was so emotive, there's no way I would take it at face value without checking out the background first.

OldCrone · 02/11/2018 14:11

Could someone share these emails with the media, perhaps the Times or the Guardian?

Or Private Eye. I think we've written the piece for them on these threads. See the other thread for the 'collapsed ceiling' story.
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3411325-Women-s-Place-cancelled-Leeds-meeting?pg=4

charlestonchaplin · 02/11/2018 14:18

The Guardian? Are you having a laugh? The Guardian don't care about women, at least not when there are transwomen's interests to look after.

FoxBaseBeta · 02/11/2018 14:47

Finally poking my head slightly above the parapet too as a Leeds resident and will officially complain. lizzyb I wonder if I live in the same ward as your dm, I have very active Independent cllrs representing mine.

LemonJello · 02/11/2018 15:33

I would also emphasise that Woman's Place UK are not banned from meeting in Council venues, rather they must ensure that in any future bookings they are open with us on the nature of any events so all of the necessary assessments and preparatory work can be undertaken.

If I was WPUK, I would put that to the test and book again.

Datun · 02/11/2018 15:45

If I was WPUK, I would put that to the test and book again.

Absolutely.

LemonJello · 02/11/2018 15:57

Not childish in the slightest.

Ereshkigal · 02/11/2018 16:09

Agree.

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