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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Pathetic response from Anne Main MP

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PygmyHippoBob · 01/11/2018 14:37

I'm one of several women who wrote to Anne Main (Conservative MP for St Albans) prior to the GRA consultation closing. I gave my email careful consideration and it turns out her staff have either not read it beyond the subject title or decided to ignore the content completely:
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Dear [ ],

Thank you for your email and for sharing your concerns with me.

I want to assure you that this Government is committed to working for transgender rights and to promote equality in society. We have already made significant progress in this area by drawing up guidance for all employers and service providers as part of a £3million programme to tackle transphobic bullying head on. The Government have published an action plan that will aim to improve the lives of the LGBTQ community.

The Government acknowledged that the gender recognition process is not currently working which is why they commissioned the recent consultation with the aim of reforming the existing system. The consultation provides information about how to reform the GRA and further, to make it less bureaucratic and intrusive for transgender people. The consultation included recommendations such as:

No medical diagnosis or presentation of evidence for trans people to get their identity legally recognised
Recognises non-binary identities
Gives all trans people, including 16 – 17-year-olds, the right to self-determination, through a much simpler and more streamlined administrative process.

Following its release, those who work in the Government Equalities Office will carefully consider if safeguards are needed and what they might need to be.

However, I agree that more must be done to help transgender people with the unique and frequently difficult challenges that they face. It is utterly unacceptable that they face some of the worst discrimination in our society and this consultation is the first step forwards in addressing the difficulties that they face.

I am looking forward to the publication of the Government’s response in due course.

Thank you again for taking the time to write to me.

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For anyone interested, here was my email to her:

Dear Anne,

I have just responded to the government's Gender Recognition Act consultation, as has my mother who also lives in St Albans.

I hope this is already on your radar, but if not, I wanted you to know how important it is to me and other women for single sex spaces to be preserved. Spaces where women are vulnerable or at a disadvantage to men have been sex segregated for many years for good reason: toilets, changing rooms, hospital wards, prisons and sports.

The Equality Act 2010 permits men to be excluded from single sex spaces, but this exemption will be rendered useless if every organisation is supposed to decide whether excluding a particular man is a proportion means of achieving a legitimate aim, every single time a man attempts entry, and at the risk of expensive litigation if they get it wrong.

Men who 'identify' as women, however sincerely, are not in fact women. Men (regardless of how they identify) are far more likely than women to commit violent crime. Men who decide to identify as women do not suddenly become low risk, and they do not suddenly stop being sexually attracted to women.

It is not just a question of safety, but also privacy and dignity. If I was to ask for a female nurse/doctor to carry out an intimate examination, it would be distressing to be unable to object to being examined by a man just because he identified as a woman. In some religious groups women are not permitted to mix with unfamiliar men, so if all public spaces became prima facie mixed sex, these religious women will have to stay at home.

There is also sport. Women and girls will be less likely to participate in sport if they are competing against men and boys. However much men suppress their testosterone they still have the benefit of larger skeletons, larger muscles and larger hearts and lungs. Can you guess the sex of the person who won the women's 2010, 2011 and 2012 English fell-running championships?
www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/mar/14/champion-runner-lauren-jeska-jailed-for-attempted-of-uk-athletics-official-ralph-knibbs

I am concerned by the fact that small children are being encouraged to think of themselves as transgender when for most, the feeling of not fitting in or not feeling right in their body is an adolescent phase. Children should not be encouraged into taking hormones that will render them infertile or into mutilating their healthy bodies. The government, charities and schools are being advised by Mermaids UK - the CEO of which took her son to Thailand when he was 16 to be castrated.

The only MP brave enough to have spoken out about this is David Davies:

twitter.com/DavidTCDavies/status/1045288789608992769
twitter.com/DavidTCDavies/status/1041095111134900229

It's disappointing that no women MPs have put their head above the parapet. I hope you will be the first!

I look forward to hearing from you.

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TransposersArePosers · 01/11/2018 14:45

That is very poor. How very frustrating.

Looks like meetings in person are the only way to actually get concerns across.

howard97A · 01/11/2018 14:51

Perhaps you should write to her again, saying that you assume from her letter that she had not actually read yours. Ask her if she could actually read your letter and do you the courtesy of replying to it.

Mumsnut · 01/11/2018 14:53

My reply from Dominic Raab was similarly frustrating.

concretesieve · 01/11/2018 14:57

That's appalling. Either she hasn't a clue or is deliberately missing the point, and I'm not sure which is worse.

Your email was crystal clear - can you manage a follow-up or get to a surgery to try to pin her down?

PygmyHippoBob · 01/11/2018 15:05

I fear any follow up emails will be filed in the bin. Her website doesn't say when she has surgeries. I work full time so going to see her in the week might be difficult. The complete failure to engage is such a contemptuous way to treat constituents.

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Imnobody4 · 01/11/2018 17:16

That reply is appalling and it's not even the standard government response other Tory MPs have sent. I'd write back and say she's mistaken the government have said clearly they have an open mind and she is misrepresenting them. I'm really appalled at how contemptuous MPs are of the intelligence of constituants. This is how Trump got in.

KatherinaMinola · 01/11/2018 17:19

Looks suspiciously like a mail-merge email! Does your account distinguish between individual and mail merge?

littlbrowndog · 01/11/2018 17:24

She never even read your letter

Jeez what a pack of shite was that reply

BettyDuMonde · 01/11/2018 17:31

Argh! I agree with PP - respond saying, ‘I think you must’ve misaddressed this, it can’t be meant for me, as it doesn’t address any of my concerns at all’

ladydickisathingapparently · 01/11/2018 17:35

She’s my MP and I absolutely can’t stand her. This is literally her usual cut and paste.

BesmirchingMotherhood · 01/11/2018 17:36

What’s worrying about that is if she adds an extra tick in the ‘constituents who want the GRA changing to allow self-id’ column on her spreadsheet.

VickyEadie · 01/11/2018 17:41

I got a much better reply than that from Penny Mordaunt (to whom I wrote in her ministerial capacity).

I got a really good one from my (Tory) MP. This woman has rubbish staff, if that's the best they can do.

Imnobody4 · 01/11/2018 17:54

I've just googled her and she's got a parody twitter account so must be 'well respected'

foxyliz26 · 01/11/2018 17:56

I worked for an MP whilst at University during NF days, people moaning about Asian people using the P word or moaning about Black people using the N word , they got a similar response to the letter you received

AspieAndProud · 01/11/2018 18:12

I’d respond ‘I didn’t ask you about transgender rights, I asked you about women’s rights. When we have those guaranteed we can discuss treansgender rights. You Muppet.’

FlowersAndHerts · 01/11/2018 18:23

We live in a neighbouring constituency. I spoke to my Tory MP, and followed it up with an email. He sent me a short, sitting-on-the-fence response, saying he was grateful for all the info I'd given, and assured me that he would "certain think carefully about everything". In other words, he wants to appear all things to everyone! I'm not surprised though.

poshme · 01/11/2018 19:18

Crap reply. Maybe try writing another email with bullet point questions.

BettyDuMonde · 02/11/2018 13:54

Would a more sympathetic to women’s concerns reply from a very influential Tory MP help at all?

There is one in one of my GC networks, written on HoC stationary and signed (ie, not just an email). Obviously I will have to ask the constituent it was sent to for permission but it might provide some leverage - ‘I was hoping your reply would take my concerns more seriously, as you can see (insert influential Tory name here) DOES understand that a conflict of rights occurs, see attached letter’.

Nightcloud · 02/11/2018 14:03

That was a great letter and indeed a terribly unstasisfactory reply. If i may, i will use it to help my letter to my (Tory female) MP. Will report back.

PygmyHippoBob · 02/11/2018 14:08

Betty If you could get permission to share the letter I'm sure it would be useful for a lot of us.

I've just replied on another thread to someone who got an identical response from their MP:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3391744-response-from-my-mp?pg=2

I emailed this to Anne Main earlier today:

Dear Anne,

Your staff either did not read my email or deliberately decided to ignore its contents.

A Yougov Poll from July 2018 showed that only 18% of the public support the government’s intended reform, and only 13% of Conservative voters:

d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/fyv38u1wln/PinkNews_Results_180621_w.pdf

In time you will come to see the folly of treating women and children as collateral damage in the government’s embarrassing attempt to appear progressive.

[name]

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ThelmaRB · 02/11/2018 14:47

Hi Pigmy, I have just received the same identical email from Anne Main in response to my concerns about self ID. Am thinking of writing to Herts Ad about her contemptuous lack of respect for constituents as evidenced by sending identikit letters which ignore every point made to her.

Candidpeel · 02/11/2018 19:54

Ha! I just got the same reply from her as well.

I'm trying to figure out if the MNers here @PygmyHippoBob @ThelmaRB @ladydickisathingapparently are the same ones who met up for "St Albans Feminists in the Pub" (a small table at the Peahen...) or whether there are a few more we haven't met up with yet? (DM me!)

I think we should try to meet her as a group. This response is really poor. She/her researcher/her intern obviously hasn't read our letters but has just picked out the key word.

Candidpeel · 02/11/2018 20:02

It's interesting Tory and Labour MPs are using the same (?) boilerplate replies

ladydickisathingapparently · 02/11/2018 20:19

Candid no but am currently locking horns with Ms Main with regard to Brexit and her cut and paste responses are doing my head in!

ladydickisathingapparently · 02/11/2018 20:20

I think HertsAd is a great idea. Literally can’t believe people let her get away with this again and again.