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Pc Brigade wasting police time

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RedToothBrush · 31/10/2018 22:56

Now the story focuses on misogyny as a hate crime. But it talks a lot about thought crime and vexatious reports.

It's an interesting in to the front page

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BlackeyedGruesome · 01/11/2018 07:26

'twas on radio four too.

not keen on the fact they were focussing on misogyny, if they mean sexual threats and other really nasty stuff that can happen.

Micke · 01/11/2018 07:30

I find it really odd (well, not really, because patriarchy) - as in most forces misogyny isn't a hate crime, and (whilst I'm in a bubble I suppose), the only hate crimes I've heard of being investigated are trans ones (which also received disproportionate police attendance), and the only ones prosecuted were race ones (which also seems much rarer than it probably happens - given some of the things I've heard kids yelling when I've walked around my town - not at me, but at each other).

Oh, and I've heard someone reporting gay hate crime (basically a gay bashing) and getting nowhere with it.

Misogyny cases wasting police time? Not even slightly. What's the double bluff going on here?

DrinkFeckArseGirls · 01/11/2018 07:32

I read that too yesterday. Was surprised they focused on misogyny
Is CC Thornton going to have a chat with Yorkshire police then?

ILuvBirdsEye · 01/11/2018 07:33

Yes, the minute misogyny looks like it may be a crime... here comes someone saying it's wasting time.
All those women lying about rape should f off too I guess.

DrinkFeckArseGirls · 01/11/2018 07:34

Although a brownie point to her for using the word “sex”.

ILuvBirdsEye · 01/11/2018 07:38

extending the remit into incidents where no crime has been committed, such as misogyny and misandry, is fraught at any time

Is she saying that misogyny is never a crime?

Charliethefeminist · 01/11/2018 07:43

Most egregious examples recently are people calling the police about stickers, surely. Harassment of women, misogyny, is rarely reported to police compared to how often it happens.

Tanith · 01/11/2018 07:46

Is it perhaps the nearest they can get to criticising the spurious reports from transactivists? Are they being reported as misogyny?

EvaHarknessRose · 01/11/2018 07:49

A police officer on the radio 5 live discussion this morning specified ‘we know some minority groups are very good at playing the system’ and then specified transgender activists. Then they read out a message about horrendous suicide stats.

Needmoresleep · 01/11/2018 07:54

The story seems to be in other papers as well, and be based on a statement by the Head of the National Police Chiefs Council. She seems to say that where hate is an aggravating factor in a crime it should be taken into account, but that police time should be prioritised to focus on crimes like burglary and rape, rather than minor verbal or written abuse. She also suggests dropping the focus on historic sex crimes in favour of current crime.

The Mail only quotes her use of the word "misogyny" once, which I had thought was only being considered as a hate crime, whilst emphasising that hate is unacceptable whilst suggesting that a review of priorities is needed. Apparently the number of complaints are up by 17% in a year. I wonder how many are due to TRAs complaining about Women's Place banners, Posies posters, or tweets claiming TWANW. My guess is that the clumsy statement is because police are worried about the floodgates opening further, and eating up more resources.

nauticant · 01/11/2018 07:54

It's being covered on Radio 4 Today now.

Again "misogyny and wolf-whistling and historic crimes of abuse". As others have said, is a very odd focus of where the problem lies.

The complaint actually seems to be that the police are "not social workers, and not mental health workers."

rightreckoner · 01/11/2018 07:56

I heard that too on R5. I was willing him to say we’ve had to explore a poster saying woman = adult human female as hate crime but he didn’t.

Nicky Campbell has done no thinking about this and is pretty poor on women’s issues generally. He’s better on dogs and whales

Needmoresleep · 01/11/2018 07:58

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6340001/Its-criminal-Met-Police-giving-burglars-900-anti-hate-experts.html

Think the Guardian online had it as well.

Charliethefeminist · 01/11/2018 08:06

As soon as misogyny came up as a hate crime aggravating factor suggestion, the responses are
1 make misandry a hate crime
2 let's stop all the hate crime nonsense

Revealing

We should not have hate crime, it's thought policing. If a crime is a crime, it's a crime.

Bonions · 01/11/2018 08:54

On radio 4 now

Bonions · 01/11/2018 08:56

We’ve gone off course in policing with perception of incidents rather than crimes. Hate crimes are where an actual crime has taken place not when two people have had an argument [paraphased]

Bonions · 01/11/2018 08:57

It’s just people being rude to each other and no actual crime has been committed.

heresyandwitchcraft · 01/11/2018 09:00

We should not have hate crime, it's thought policing. If a crime is a crime, it's a crime.

This. Having seen what's happened to gender-critical women, my eyes are wide open as to how these laws get abused.

ILuvBirdsEye · 01/11/2018 09:01

Wolf whistling and looking for missing persons seems to be her big examples.

The first I can't imagine there are much resources used on and the second is surely important? Or do the police need to wait for young boys and girls to be killed before it's deemed important?

LangCleg · 01/11/2018 09:12

We should not have hate crime, it's thought policing. If a crime is a crime, it's a crime.

I'm quite happy for animosity towards protected characteristics to be counted as aggravating factors when sentencing after guilty verdicts - providing that proceedings have actually evidenced this motivation by the perpetrator.

What I'm not keen on at all is this reporting and collating of "hate incidents" that do not amount to crimes by the police. This recording is based entirely on the perception of the victim and has nothing to do with any evidenced motive on the part of the perpetrator. It encourages vexatious reporting and it doesn't measure levels of actual hatred at all.

nauticant · 01/11/2018 09:21

this reporting and collating of "hate incidents" that do not amount to crimes by the police

Does anyone know how these are treated statistically? If a policeman or woman goes round and makes sympathetic noises does this get closed as "resolved" and thus helps to improve the overall statistics of the police force?

DrinkFeckArseGirls · 01/11/2018 09:32

It’s in the times too - I guess the closest they could get to saying “trans” was “misogyny”

silentcrow · 01/11/2018 09:40

They did use the phrase "gender based" in that interview on R4 - I was driving so didn't really take in who the speakers were, but it's an interesting phrasing when they are also saying "we need to free up the police to deal with violence, rape and theft" in virtually the same breath.

BernardBlacksWineIcelolly · 01/11/2018 09:47

yeah on six music (get me down with the yoof),they said something like 'investigating hate crime on the basis of gender is wasting police time'

at which point I nodded and said quite right

but I suspect they meant sex

I agree with Lang, hate crime should count as an aggravating factor during sentencing for sure, but let's not waste time investigating things that aren't actual crimes, for heaven's sake

howard97A · 01/11/2018 15:30

South Yorkshire Police relentlessly mocked after urging people to report one another for 'offensive or insulting words'

www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/south-yorkshire-police-relentlessly-mocked-after-urging-people-to-report-one-another-for-offensive-a3932131.html

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