Downside of tide turning re GRA - increased chance of violence?

[Freespeecher]

Guido had a pop at little Owen today for increasingly seeing Fascists everywhere:

order-order.com/2018/10/30/owen-jones-called-fascists-punished-death/

All good fun, but I wonder if he's (perhaps even unconsciously) ramping up the rhetoric as things are increasingly not going his way, not least in the GRA debate

Which makes me think that, unfortunately, there's a risk of, not just similar angry rhetoric, but also actual (literal!) violence should things not pan out the way TRAs would like them to.

I do hope I'm just being melodramatic, but I can see things not ending well even if they do end well, if you know what I mean.

Keep your chin up and think of that song from dad’s army. We cannot be destroyed before they have even had a chance to try 😸

Thst was me trying to be supportive with a pretty kitten picture, not being sarky

Oh, feel free to sark away, I'm probably wayyyy overthinking it. It just made me wonder if the prospect of losing would see protests etc get ramped up to the next level and, when said protests are carried out by people who see any opposition as eminently punchable... well, it could get ugly.

While I am more positive about how things will pan out, I agree with you about the risks of escalation. When councillors in places like Liverpool (where they emboldened TRAs by downplaying vandalism In Welsh Street, while condemning witches of the Liverpool Resisters for miniscule penis stickers) then the risks are heightened.

My close circle of Twitter users do our bit when we highlight TRA threats and actions to police chiefs, police and crime commissioners and ministers of state at the Home Office and the Ministry of Justice.

We want them to know that the police and CPS's policy on what constitutes 'transphobia' has not only played a significant role in justifying TRA harassment, but is having an impact on the public's confidence in a fair and impartial police service.

We are just a small band who have to tweet anonymously because of our jobs. We may not get far, but it's a start in challenging the consensus and the 'guidelines' in the higher echelons of policing.

We would be gutted if there were to be an incident or preventable crime committed against gender critics, where all we had to show for our efforts was 'I told you so'.

Do you have any thoughts on what else can be done, in real life or online?

Practical thoughts? Really I'm just an interested observer so all I have to offer is that GC types keep on trying to see both sides while not ceding their own ground / soaces (as this more reasonable approach means that the argument can't just be dismissed as 'both sides being as bad as each other').

Oh, and keep the focus on free speech and safeguarding for the wider populace rather than theory.

But I think posters here already know this.

We just have to keep plodding on. I know the suffragette colours are very popular but I do hope we don’t have to step up from suffragists to suffragettes or whatever the modern term is (feeling so old now. Even regular language is beyond me)

OP, you're instincts could be quite correct. If you watch Lisa Muggeridge, she has mentioned this before. Many of the people we are dealing with fit the patterns of behaviour we see in abusers. The coercive control, DARVO, threats, actual violence... IIRC, the most dangerous time for women is the year after they've left their abusive partner.
All I know is that we all need to stick together, not be lulled into complacency just because more people are slowly waking up, keep doing whatever we can, keep documenting what is going on, and try to protect the gender-critical women that are officially "out."
To badly paraphrase Lisa M: No woman gets thrown under a bus when the people we are dealing with are nuttier than squirrel shit.

Hopefully, as all this gets pulled out into the light, TRA behaviour will become viewed as unacceptable. It doesn’t mean they won’t misbehave, but the more eyes Who are watching, the less likely they will be to get away with it. We’re at a point where there are stirrings in MSM about how toxic they are, but until it is properly acknowledged and becomes a genuine point of interest I’d say there’s a possibility that there could be trouble. Let’s hope not, and let’s hope the media properly climb on board soon, although I’m not holding my breath.

There are some pretty powerful pulling the strings of the TRA movement, and they’re clever. If the world is watching they’re not going to take kindly to their little foot soldiers popping off at the mouth. Yes, infighting is likely, and it’lll be interesting to watch how much leaks out into the public domain. All those narcissists clashing egos will be something to behold.

TRA behaviour will become viewed as unacceptable

I feel that there needs to be a legal action (or, at the very least a clarification from Nick Hurd the Minister for Policing), about the misuse of the words "transphobia" and "hate group".

It may need a formal letter to the National Police Chief's Council (the policy making body) about the way their definition of 'hate and 'transphobia' has provided cover for extremists to target women.

Louise Haigh, MP is the shadow Police Minister (and a former special constable). In normal circumstances, it would be the Opposition's job to ask questions in Parliament about the violence. I don't know if she's up to the job, because she might be one of those who support TRAs by their silence.

I think this is going to get a hell of a lot worse before it gets better. I think the government will make minimal changes once the consultation is analysed, and then the behavior will be ramped up even more as clearly feminists are trying to eradicate transwomen..with the help of the Tories or something similarly daft and OTT.

I'm actually more concerned that the stupid stoking of general unreasonableness by the wokesters is going to cause the mother of all backlashes. We've been discussing tribalism elsewhere on FWR, and while I certainly do fear the aggressive bully boy tactics of the trans wedge AWAs, I fear being caught in a pincer movement between them and the kind of stomp-on-your-head for more old fashioned open misogyny/totalitarian reasons gang.

I'm generally a calm and reasonable person, fairly unflappable in the face of provocation (an asset in customer facing retail). But I'm also a slightly built woman with Jewish ancestry and vocal sympathy for sexual minorities and those dealing with poverty. I would not fare well in the cross fire between a far right mob and masked transactivists with baseball bats.

Crikey, those comments from little OJ are quite alarming. He’s seriously losing his marbles.

There does seem to be an effort by some self-identified leftists to polarise debate by characterising everyone else as either a fascist or a fascist enabler.

It's like the mods and the rockers except somehow everyone's taking them seriously as credible political positions.