Teen boy poses as girl online to get peadaphilic images from boys

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Yet another example of someone pretending to be female in order to get access photos. A predatory teen in this example (I realise this is impossible as all children are innocent saints). I am convinced he would have used trans as a way to get real life views if he'd thought of it and wanted to view girls.

For clarity on not suggesting he was trans, just that someone this nasty would have exploited the loopholes it provides.

thelincolnite.co.uk/2018/10/teen-paedophile-jailed-for-10-years-after-posing-as-girl/

Something something this never happens, predatory men would never pretend to be women, etc.

If he said he was a girl, then he was a girl. That’s how it works I believe.

So, according to Stonewall, this person is trans because he has said that he is online?

But, he is not saying that he IS trans?

Honestly, it's almost as if you really shouldn't take people at face value because some of them are sneaky buggers. Who could have guessed that?

I posted this mainly because I'm so sick of hearing all the children going into the other changing room because they are trans and innocents. This teen has been under investigation for three years - if he wasn't and wanted to stare at girls changing he would have no reluctance at claiming he was a girl offline as well as on.

Yes, a lot of boys saying they are girls really do feel that way. But by no means all.

tbh I'm not sure the lying about his sex is a big factor, its a disgusting crime whatever he is. Sex deception only seems an issue in those having contact sex which the partner wouldn't have consented without knowing the true sex. I think those with current GRC are exempt but self ID would have serious implications for that.

But this would never happen. No one lies abiut their sex/gender

Lying about his sex is not a big factor? What?

I presume that if he is not 'genuinely trans', that he figured that there are more straight boys than gay, and that posing as a female makes him seem more safe and fun than revealing himself to be male. So by posing as a girl, he was cynically increasing his chances of getting what he wanted from his poor victims.

Just like the paedophiles who get caught.

And just like the paedophiles in this study of people asking for NHS gender services where a number of males wanted to transition purely because they perceived they would get easier intimate access to children if they were seen as women rather than men.

This is why women are worried. Because it does happen.

Some men will go to any length to get what they want, and it isn't a big deal to them because they are already living outside the normal rules and boundaries.

Holy crap, that study is grim, Wing.

Half of those on hormones were self diagnosing and self treating.

Most of them had psychiatric conditions, many of those also not under treatment.

This notion of seeing healthcare as "gatekeeping" of services is totally misguided. The medics are no doubt just adhering to "do no harm". Totally terrifying.

plus, of course, the idiot nonce. Hope they reported him

I carefully didn't reply to the big factor comment. You have done so far better than I could have. Thank you.

Does anyone remember yahoo chat rooms? I remember talking to quite a few men who would tell me they pretended to be female lesbians to trick real lesbians into having the dirty talking with them. So they could type one handed. Anyway, I used to relish telling them how many other men had told me they did that. Chances are that at some point they had been talking to another man pretending to be a lesbian. Bunch of one handed typers trying to trick lesbians into what was called ‘cyber sex’. I guess these days it has flipped over into real life. I bet a lot of the TRAs are the one handed typers

That study WIng linked, showing some paedophiles wanted gender reassignment in order to more easily access chidren as "women" ... 🤯

Horrifying, but not that surprising, other than that the researchers actually had the courage to document and publish this

That is interesting wing. I googled the authors to see what I could find and there is also more recent study by the same people.

High proportion of co-morbidity with depression and autism; increased number of referrals - but less reporting of non-prescription hormones or going overseas for sex reassignment surgery. No paraphilias in the 2018 article, just ‘fetishistic transvestism’. Notes increased media portrayal, including of trans children, and less social stigma.
www.researchgate.net/publication/325730354_Individuals_seeking_gender_reassignment_Marked_increase_in_demand_for_services

Interestingly, one of the authors also publishes on Münchhausen Syndrome by proxy as well.

It totally is grim. And no, sadly not surprising.

We need FACTS and rational analysis now more than ever, to protect everyone. I will try to read what else they have published. The Munchhausen speciality is very interesting. I have the link to this study ready to counter Jane Fae's et al's constant "it will never happen". I am also glad that it was made publicly available, rather than behind academic paywalls. We have a right to make informed decisions. Nothing should be beyond scrutiny.

And these are just the men that chose to pursue transition via NHS routes, were they were likely to be noticed. There must have been others who have kept it secret or gone abroad for treatment etc.

If they are not already dead or in prison, these exact same predatory men will be beneficiaries of self ID, and I expect they are overjoyed that the Girl Guides policy is already so progressive.

I find it awful to think that we know they existed, but don't know who they are or where they are now. I wonder if anyone does.

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tbh I'm not sure the lying about his sex is a big factor, its a disgusting crime whatever he is. Sex deception only seems an issue in those having contact sex which the partner wouldn't have consented without knowing the true sex. I think those with current GRC are exempt but self ID would have serious implications for that.

I've read that post three times and I still don't know what it means :(

Juells I read it as it not nattering what deception went on unless it leads to a physical meeting with sex. Only if intercourse occurs does dishonesty about your sex matter.

So claiming to be a girl knowing that is the only way someone would send you naked pictures is fine.

Maybe I hadn't understood exactly what was going on with the 'posing as a girl'. I just thought it a vile and disgusting act getting material of this nature from underage teens whoever they believed they were being made for. In the eyes of the law the dishonesty about their sex is only likely to be relevant in physical intimacy however.

The people who argue ‘This never happens’ should read that paper linked to, (if they would rather not believe the experiences of women that men will and do go to extreme lengths to gain access) - we know that it absolutely does happen.

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Maybe I misread the article but there’s nothing to suggest he is trans. Just another pervert posing online as someone he’s not to prey on young people. But of course, if something can be twisted to paint it as another reason to be anti-trans, mumsnet will do that.

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Pretending to be the opposite sex even whilst only online would most likely cone u set the stone wall umbrella of trans.

And even if he didn't this is a fine example of yet another predator who we would lose the ability to challenge should they decide to enter a female only space

But of course, if something can be twisted to paint it as another reason to be anti-trans, mumsnet will do that.

That's not about being anti-trans. It's showing the concept that a male identifying as a female provides them with access or an opportunity that they wouldn't otherwise have had, as a male.

The practice of predatory men saying they are women is underpinned by the rational assumption that women are less of a threat.

Something that the trans ideology seeks to obscure.

It is also showing that just because they are young does not mean they can't also be predatory. Most won't be but some will and as more realise the opportunities it can bring more will take advantage. The percentages will quickly change so that the innocent is in the minority.