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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

De transitioned former TW speaks of experience.

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TheClitterati · 28/10/2018 12:10

Moving account over several videos. They are now GC and argue for the importance of informed consent and a slow transition process. He says TRA's and supporting therapists are institutionalising negligence.

Compelling testimony but also shows very clearly that GC feminists are ultimately the real supporters of all people wishing to live lives outside of Trad gender roles.

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gendercritter · 28/10/2018 12:24

I've only watched some of it so far but it's amazing. Thank you for sharing.

TheClitterati · 28/10/2018 12:38

I came across it on Twitter. Watched one video on phone in bed, got up, made massive coffee and watched the rest on the telly.

Love his dry, succinct and precise, German way of speaking.

And he seriously and methodically tears the whole house down. Instead of arguing with idiots on twitter I will be posting links to his YT.

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TheClitterati · 28/10/2018 12:45

In one video he talks about the increasing numbers of people like him now getting political and active. He also clearly speaks or TRA's as a separate group to trans people.

I feel really positive that other voices are starting to join in with GC feminists. The allies are (slowly) arriving.

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SirVixofVixHall · 28/10/2018 13:04

I’ve only watched the first one. He says exactly what I feel about the whole issue. I think we all recognise the inherent fragility of the trans state, and that is part of the tiptoeing around transgender people and issues that we see on panel discussions etc.
I do not “believe” in transgenderism for all the reasons he so clearly states. I believe in allowing both sexes the freedom to step outside their given social roles if they want to. I don’t understand how lying, and propping up lies, has become entrenched in law. I can see how it can initially feel like a kindness, but it seems far kinder to me to accept someone’s sex , even when they step outside gender norms.
Miranda Yardley has also spoken about these issues, and the healthier mental state that comes with the acceptance of one’s sex.

TheClitterati · 28/10/2018 13:12

the link he makes between his suicide attempts and the swift unquestioning transition he experienced lept out at me. TRA's are quick to blame GC people for trans people's suicidal feelings. But it is clear from this guys experience, how a swift transition was central to his suicidal feelings and attempt.

Much projection is going on. TRAs are blaming feminists & other GC people for the negative consequences of TRA actions/beliefs on trans people.

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TheClitterati · 28/10/2018 13:20

There is something very cruel about promoting the idea that someone can change sex, especially to vulnerable people.

He speaks of the shock when he finally realised that this isn't so, and how relieved and thankful that this occurred before he had too many surgeries.

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BettyDuMonde · 28/10/2018 13:35

What an intelligent and dignified man.

He has every right to be raging for what happened to him, but instead he is telling his story (in two languages) to help others in similar situations and to warn professionals of the danger.

I wish I knew his name so we could credit him properly.

(He currently has 4 videos in English)

SirVixofVixHall · 28/10/2018 13:36

Yes, I agree wholeheartedly op. It is cruel, and it has become more acceptable as socially we focus more on the superficial, on the appearance of someone, and less on who and what they actually are.

TheClitterati · 28/10/2018 13:50

He speaks how making these videos was an important part of processing and dealing with his anger.

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DeRigueurMortis · 28/10/2018 13:51

Excellent videos - Tx for posting

deepwatersolo · 28/10/2018 14:41

Very interesting, thank you for posting. I particularly like how he addresses psychotherapists and TRAs at the end of the second video, where tells the former to find another job, if they have nothing to offer and the latter that it is cruel to risk fragile people‘s wellbeing with their agenda.

Notably, in a video in German about Radfems (who he generally sympathesizes with) he mentions that brand new German guidelines now, contrary to former ones, say that transitioning should now also be open to fetishists (who he explains are mostly heterosexual late transitioners with e.g. previous sexual interests in women‘a underwear. He gets women are livid these can now claim womanhood, also understands in principle that women find it offensive how transwomen often seemingly reduce womanhood to stereotypes).

So Germany seems to be on the same track, full speed ahead.

Prawnofthepatriarchy · 28/10/2018 14:59

I initially thought he was German but having heard him pronounce Simone de Beauvoir I'm beginning to think he's a Francophone. Belgian maybe?

deepwatersolo · 28/10/2018 15:03

Definitely French native speaker, though his German is really fluent with only hints of an accent.

ThePrincipal · 28/10/2018 15:10

Does German conflate sex and gender in the same way as in the English language?

ThePrincipal · 28/10/2018 15:11

If not. How did Germany get to the same place as the U.K?

deepwatersolo · 28/10/2018 15:27

In German they talk about Social sex (or use the English word Gender for it) and biological sex. The distinction must already have happened with 2nd wave feminism, which pointed out that the role of women is socially constructed, I guess. But I agree, the Getman language makes the distinctions generally harder (female and feminine are the same word. Same for male masculine).

hellandhairnets · 28/10/2018 15:27

Great vids.

He is spot on. Institutionalised negligence is exactly what this is all about. The whole thing is deeply unethical.

There is no freedom or autonomy in people who are experiencing distress being pushed toward a fiction that will in many cases never resolve the underlying problem and will cause irreversible damage.

His fury here is palpable - I agree with him about therapists although as we know, we are fast approaching a situation where any therapist who does not take the affirmative-only approach will be struck off for "conversion" therapy and "transphobia", so I think the drive is far bigger than individual therapists in terms of power.

I only hope he is right in that this lack of ethics and integrity is not going to last much longer.

LangCleg · 28/10/2018 15:33

I hope he sees this thread! He seems like a lovely, reflective, kind and compassionate person - but also courageously honest and clear-sighted about his own story.

BettyDuMonde · 28/10/2018 15:48

For the lurkers or those who may come across this thread in the future whilst googling for detransitioning info I am adding a shout out to Cary Callahan - a detransitioned trans ‘man’ (aka a ‘reidentified woman’) who makes similar observations in her own videos (all on YouTube and on her personal blog).

careycallahan.com

deepwatersolo · 28/10/2018 15:55

Betty indeed, in one of his (German) vids he says the transition made him more depressive, even suicidal, because the discrepancy between his ‚female identity‘ and the reality of his body was so disconcerting (albeit acknowledging that this is a common risk but not a certainty). This is what Cary described, too, I believe.

FuturePerfect · 28/10/2018 17:13

What an interesting and articulate man - and in English too.

I found his comments at the end of his most recent video particularly enlightened: where he talks about trying to find a way to accept his body and integrate his physicality into a healthy sense of self.

God, isn't that what we all have to do?

TheClitterati · 28/10/2018 18:02

God, isn't that what we all have to do?

Yes absolutely.

It is incredible that at one point this clever and articulate man was under some kind of spell/delusion as to the possibility of actually changing the sex of his body.

This TRA agenda, is so strong and powerful and had a massive influence (mostly off the back of falsely conflating transphobia with homophobia) - not only influencing those who are feeling "trans", but as we are seeing, influencing politicians, doctors, therapists, schools, police, prison system etc. It seems to be to no ones benefit at all, but to make TRA's feel powerful. You have to think for most of them it will all come crashing down at some point too.

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TheClitterati · 28/10/2018 18:13

Thanks for the Carey link - I will watch after dc are in bed.

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DeRigueurMortis · 28/10/2018 20:21

Yes thanks - I'll also be tuning in to that link also.

breastfeedingclownfish · 28/10/2018 21:25

I am so impressed by this man and have so much sympathy for him that even, as intelligent and articulate as he is, he nearly ruined his life. Yes, he absolutely was failed by therapists. He should have been offered an alternative to simply transistion affirmation. Thankfully he realised the truth before he tooks steps he couldn't reverse. So very brave of him to speak out. Hopefully it will help other vulnerable people.

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