You think you've seen it all. But you won't believe this.

[Charliethefeminist]

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6324297/Girl-15-conceived-son-rape-held-sex-slave.html

How much can one rage? This poor girl

Once, she saw her mother in a supermarket and they hugged and managed to exchange a few words, but the gang then bundled her away, and sped off in a car.

I don't think I fully understand. She had a family who loved and cared about her, who could advocate for her. Her family knew she was being held against her will. There's a reference there to Stockholm syndrome but overall she seemed pretty clear she was being held against her will - she kept trying to escape. She wasn't even "groomed" - she was kidnapped.

She was straight up kidnapped and held against her will and raped for years and all the while she had family trying to get her back and even in those circumstances the police did nothing?

And I know that's not even the point of the article -the point of the article is how social services retraumatised her and continued to involve her rapist in her life - but I just can't get over that image of the mother and daughter meeting in a supermarket and exchanging a clandestine hug. What fucking country is that happening in? This country? There is an actual war on women happening and I've only just let myself realise it.

Mainly what I'm taking from this is that the police force should be completely dismantled. It's not fit for purpose. A new police force that's at least 50% women should be created. I don't know what the fuck is happening in social services, because they ARE at least 50% women, but they're obviously not fit for purpose either.

Shitting hell! Crazy fucking loons! See, these are the ways women are treated offer up the babies to rapists' who don't even want them, fucking trash.

Poor poor 'Sarah' may never see her babies again

When do SS go to prison and do time for all their atrocities?

Absolutely horrific. Social services should be bending over backwards to help these women rebuild their lives, not consulting their rapists over the welfare of their children.

I want to say it's unbelievable. But it isn't, is it?

Fucking hell.

It's absolutely what they do though, blame the women uphold the menz rights, fuckers

Living and working in inner city Law Firms , and my G/F in a similar enforcement team , sadly can tell you this isn't even the tip of the Iceberg
being going on for years, along with these grooming gangs , and hushed up by all parties

any whistle blowers get side lined or sacked

being forced to give up my own daughter at 16 , I am a hard faced old lesbian, but I weep for these poor girls

Hearing this tonight, plus the shock of the crash has brought me very low tonight.

I am so sad at the disgusting abuses men are raining upon our children, destroying lives and babies lives.

Side-lined and sacked!! How vast are these rings?!

Foxy

As much as I agree with the sentiments on this thread, the law is very clear when it comes to children: all steps must be taken to find and involve family members in decisions about the child, this is to reduce the chance of court cases after the child has been adopted for example. And again, it is not a Social Workers decision- the court decides. The child's needs are centred in the decision making, including the time scales associated with this, and whether the parent can make the necessary changes needed within that time to meet the needs of the child. Unpalatable in these circumstances, but the same law governs all children.

There are dozens of underage girls who have been victims of grooming gangs and had children whom the courts have adopted out. The courts seem unable to recognise PTSD and prioritise fostering while the PTSD is treated.

Femaledisrespectful is right - the Children Act prioritises the child at all times. It makes our family court system good for children (overall) but bad for mothers who have been victims of DV, DA, CSE or CSA.

I have no words

This story doesn't make sense at all. There is no mention of what her family did when she was kidnapped. If her family did not have any clue what had happened to her, then when she saw her mother in the supermarket, the mother wouldn't have just given her a hug before letting her leave with the gang.

I heard a really interesting talk at FiLiA in a health workshop who in processing the extreme abuse she had received as a child described it not as PTSD but as PTSR, Post Traumatic Stress Reaction. It was a significant re-framing and may/should be a significant challenge to the courts, SW etc understanding.

It was such an important, thought-provoking speech. I need to find out if she has written about this.

It was such an important, thought-provoking speech. I need to find out if she has written about this.

If you find anything, please let me know!

This would be a great step forward. We have to find a way of better protecting vulnerable mothers without compromising the effective protections the Children Act extends to minors.

I don't think it matters if an organization has 50% or more women since at the very top it's pretty much always men running things.

This is so awful. It's awful to think so many people have let Sarah & de children down

The child's needs are centred in the decision making

In what way could including the child's rapist, grooming gang member father, who was involved in the kidnapping of their mother into sexual slavery at 15, in decisions about them possibly be in the child's best interest?

I am sure there must be more to this.

What role has her mother played after meeting in the supermarket and after being reunited with her daughter and grandchildren. Why was she not given an opportunity to care for the child, but the father was given an opportunity to suggest a friend or family member. It just seems unbelievable and makes me ask more questions.

I don’t believe that social services are evil, or even have an agenda against women, I just think the Daily Mail has only reported half the story here.

Even if everything in here were true it is terrible and they have a lot to answer for, but there must be a reason that Sarah and/or her family are not given access to her children

In what way could including the child's rapist, grooming gang member father, who was involved in the kidnapping of their mother into sexual slavery at 15, in decisions about them possibly be in the child's best interest?

Possibly bad reporting? Not what the father wants but what might be best for the child. So all relevant parties would be considered by the court.

Thinking generally, rather than for this specific case: for a child adopted out against the wishes of the mother (and the father) - the court will not consider whether the father was abusive to the mother, only if it is in the best interests of the child to have any/no contact with the father, or be given information about the father.

Move2WY - because our systems are useless at recognising coercive control. It's perfectly possible for all this to happen - for the victim not to understand that a crime is being committed against them, for them to try to escape then go back voluntarily, etc etc. Unless they turn up at a police station, say I am being abused and then stick to that without wavering, nobody does anything. Even if the parents go to the police.

In what way could including the child's rapist, grooming gang member father, who was involved in the kidnapping of their mother into sexual slavery at 15, in decisions about them possibly be in the child's best interest?

I hear you. I've not gone through the article in detail, because it will be missing many details (I did an extended study into SS and the media and how they do not help themselves with regards to how they are portrayed) so I am guilty of not paying much attention when I see these articles. However, we don't know how much weight was given to his wishes, or whether he had been found guilty of the allegations- even then the burden of proof is different in family law. The article appears to do a great job of doing what they always do in these situations, half reporting, demonising of decision making with no reference to the legal framework and obligations these set out, and minimising of some facts.

Sorry, I'm such a sceptic with these types of articles- what I do know is that there is far more going on than is presented; that doesn't mean I don't have sympathy for Sarah and her children though, there are no winners there.

During these grooming scandals, we have adopted out multiple babies born to minors who are victims of grooming on the basis of them being unfit parents (rather than supporting them to be fit parents) and we have prosecuted raped, coerced minors who fell under the spell of their abusers and helped to recruit other victims (instead of giving them therapy to come to terms with what was done to them and how they were coerced into doing what they did), authorities have told parents nothing can be done because their daughters want to be "sex workers" (instead of prosecuting their paedophile pimps).

The list of our collective sins is endless.

This is why it is a scandal of such magnitude.