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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Vaginas/women raping people

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booze2shoes · 25/10/2018 22:37

I have only entered this rabbit hole very recently but am utterly amazed by how often I've heard the argument 'well women rape too'. I think this comes out of their gobs because it is the only way to justify allowing men into women's spaces but I just find it absolutely incredible that people who I thought were reasonable human beings are dismissing male sexual violence like this. This isn't really a question but just wanting to share this and ask if anyone else has heard version of this. It makes me so angry.

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Whatyearisit · 26/10/2018 08:46

Unfortunately the direction politicians are taking us in will mean that yes women be able to rape because if we are forced to believe that TWAW and if ANYONE can be trans, (regardless of their motives), and if penises are supposed to be a female organ then yes, 2+2 could only ever equal 5.

And of course as for those inconvenient little stats about which sex is usually the perpetrator and which the victim. Once you replace biology with anything other than reality then penis crimes can be counted as crimes committed by women and very soon the figures will either show total equality in offences. Or worse still, if we consider that of the 125 trans identifying prisoners we are currently told about, 60 of the ‘mtf’ have committed sexual offences.... (which gives a percentage far higher than sex offenders in the ‘males identifying as men’ prison population).... then the outcome could even be that ‘women’ are labelled as being more sexually violent than men.!!!

If data isn't separated by biological sex then it will lose all relevance.

Please somebody show me the way out of this rabbit hole.Sad

FermatsTheorem · 26/10/2018 08:51

As a moral issue, I am torn on rape vs. assault by penetration. One one hand rape carries additional risks (STDs, pregnancy) which are not there in assault by penetration. On the other hand, the two are indistinguishably traumatic for the victim (which the law recognises, incidentally: the sentencing guidelines are the same for both offences).

The main reason I'm interested in defending the current definition of rape is that in our newspeak, double-think world where even official statistics are being distorted and falsified, rape is the only offence which in virtue of its legal definition, unequivocally identifies the perpetrator (or in common purpose cases, at least one of the perpetrators) as having a penis at the time the offence was committed.

It's the one offence which doesn't allow for wriggle room in wilfully misinterpreting statistics to further a misogynist agenda.

BeyondAdultHumanFemale · 26/10/2018 10:23

The main difference between Scots and E&W (not just English please Wink ) rape law is that E&W specifies penetration with a penis (does not specify sex, but it's a given...), whereas Scots law specifies penetration with a penis or a neopenis (still does not specify sex).

And I'm sure most people here know, but I'll say it again for the noobs - it is helpful to know (when someone points out that women assault too) that the sentence for a "sexual assault by penetration" is equal to that of rape.

BeyondAdultHumanFemale · 26/10/2018 10:24

Ah sorry fermats, I somehow missed your post before I posted mine!

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