So, could we form our own party?

[Destinysdaughter]

A lot of pp have said recently that they feel politically homeless and that even the WEP don’t represent us. There have been groups and links and activism and awareness created because of this recent fight so my question is, what can we do with all of this? Should we form our own party? Or pressure group? The fight is nowhere near from over, in fact it’s just begun. Would love to know people’s thoughts on whether they would want to get more organised, whether they think it’s possible and how could we make that happen in reality?

I question how to approach a campaign as this is an ideological issue which is something a lot of people just can't relate to or see the importance of. People are more readily receptive to practical concerns, and yes, this is about safeguarding women and children and all the other failures this would cause, but the real crux of the problem is the post-modern ideology underpinning this, changing the language and everyday social practices so that the category of woman becomes occupied to reflect that ideology, which is a compromise to the integrity of anyone who doesn't believe in it. If you focus on the practical issues, they get belittled with accusations of transphobia and 'women being hysterical' about a man coming in the toilets, although I'm sure in time there will be an increasing number of problems arising that we haven't even yet forseen. Once it starts causing problems for men, then perhaps more people will actually give a s* and pay attention. I agree with FlowersAndHerts about getting the facts out there.

I think a more achievable objective would be to create a website collating the information here into a fact-based authoritative resource with bullet points, that is kept up-to-date. I find it really annoying when journalists, for example, quote facts that aren't really facts - eg suicide stats.

There are several fact-checking organisations in the UK - all of which have their gaps.

I'd like to see one which is purely about women and which could operate like one of the fact-checking organisations to obtain corrections, identify the source of what Full Fact describes as "zombie claims" etc.

fullfact.org/europe/new-years-resolution-3-i-will-not-repeat-inaccurate-claims/

I think it’s not just women concerned. I can’t be the only one married to a feminist. A lot of men are on our side, certainly my dh cares, not just because I have opened his eyes to it, although that has helped, he is supportive because he has daughters who will have to grow up in this new reality.

Yeah, that's not remotely self-indulgent, at a time when we have people dying because of austerity policies, families torn apart because of citizenship issues unleashed by Brexit ... climate change ... arms sales to Saudi Arabia ... and you want to base your new party around not wanting to pee in a toilet stall if there might be a penis in the next stall ... also peeing.

MsVanillaRose
Yeah like those bastards who wanted to tackle climate change and launch green parties during a time when all the political class were ignoring the problem. How dare they have been so self indulgent.

Take WEP back, that my plan. I'm meeting my woke local group next month with Helen's poll data.

The WEP were a monumental disappointment.
A gender critical organised political party is long overdue.
The biggest problem will be managing and dealing with with attacks from gender ideologists.

I know, but the polling stats prove the woke dipshits are a minority.

Electron1 I admire your optimism.

It's not optimism, its raw facts. Data. Women getting all emotional about men's rights to access for voyeurism and peeping tom sex offenses is not a good idea for WEP. We have data. Emote all over that at me and I will data all back at ya.

The WEP were a monumental disappointment.
A gender critical organised political party is long overdue.

I find it genuinely baffling that, in between slurs on the achievements of remarkable women, there are people who nonetheless characterise Sophie Walker's fence-sitting as making WEP a "TERF-led party" (scroll down):

the WEP is a crypto-TERF and outright-SWERF organization

I wish you luck on ousting the TERFs who head the organization

twitter.com/aedison/status/1055476386079617024

The biggest problem will be managing and dealing with with attacks from gender ideologists

We need to simply make sure we record them and keep showing people.

Narcs can't help being narcs. They demonstrate perfectly well why we don't want anyone who want to have it, have access to our spaces.

Take WEP back, that my plan. I'm meeting my woke local group next month with Helen's poll data.

I do think it's probably easier to change an existing party rather than starting a new one. After all, this is exactly what's happened to labour.

MsVanillaRose did you mean to be so patronizing? The issue is much more about being defined out of existence and the word Women having no relation to biology anymore, that is truly terrifying and Orwellian. If you read more of feminist chat you would know better than to have a simplistic view of the issues than concern a very wide range of women who represent 50% of the nation.

and you want to base your new party around not wanting to pee in a toilet stall if there might be a penis in the next stall ... also peeing.

This is pretty important. As it impacts on over half of the populations rights and safety.

Women's health is a huge issue . There are a couple of threads on here discussing how difficult it is for women to get support, diagnoses and treatment.
It makes no sense in a supposedly democratic society to deliberately keep women ill.
Unless it was a deliberate ploy to silence and undermine them.

MsVanillaRose did you mean to be so patronizing?

MsVanillaRoseAuntof7 has a tendency to be patronising. She is, I feel, a very unusual aunt.

YES!

Personally, I would lean more towards a pressure group to lobby the existing political parties.

We need the parties who can form Governments to take Women's issues seriously.

The point about money needs addressing too. Men & the trans lobby are powerful because they have money and powerful contact networks.

Women don't go to Eton 😂

MsVanillaRoseAuntof7 - You clearly haven't done any reading on this subject if you think it's about having a slash, why be so obsessed with peeing? Is it a particular interest of yours? Perhaps there are other website that might better accommodate you if that's the case.
All these things mentioned above are important, in addition to the many other implications that haven't been explored yet, particularly to do with data collection and artificial intelligence. As processes and decisions become more automated, based upon either visual or textual data processing, this brings a host of ramifications for skewing statistics and algorithms due to the machine learning process.

If you change the label 'woman' to mean anyone who identifies as a woman, a computer doesn't have the judgement to say that's actually a MTF, it just deals with the data. AI algorithms already have a number of issues with them to do with human biases informing the initial machine learning process (racism, sexism), and they work on a system of amplification to promote the possibility of a match, to make matters worse. It's not difficult to see how this could cause problems, and AI now is a part of many aspects of our daily lives as opaque algorithms processing information in everyday applications. I also wonder about areas of research such as the digital humanities.