Tasmania is set to become the first state to remove the sex of a child from birth certificates

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This is being framed as a win for transgender people. I’m perplexed as to how this won’t affect stats, planning services for the population etc

(It’s behind a paywall)

amp.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/state-politics/tasmania-on-verge-of-removing-gender-from-birth-certificates/news-story/22e558f7dea37b3d2723036f9e628ee2

The uk doesn’t have a population registry. So where’s the one source that links into other data streams of it’s taken off all official documents?

Why have any documentation at all? What is the point in documenting anything if you're not documenting fact?

It’s taken from your passport, which you obtain by showing your birth certificate.

This is a proposed amendment to legislation which Is designed to bring Tasmania into line with the rest of Australia on same sex marriage.

The attorney general has said that the proposed amendment will have to be investigated by the law reform institute and the subject of public consultation before it goes before parliament.

This is a very long way from Tasmania being set to do anything.

However, looking on the bright side won't this literally erase trans? How can anyone change sex if they didn't have one to start with? Gets rid of all the bother of self I D, GRC, all of it. Surely can't be what tra's want? They are always complaining about being erased etc. This will do it in one fell swoop. No more sex "coercively" assigned at birth. How would it be possible to have gender dysphoria?

As much as I see your point, I've said elsewhere that this is actually part of the endgame. The 'trans' thing is a useful wedge, that's all. Look carefully at the language trends - we already have gender dysphoria being downplayed almost out of existence by those insisting one does not need to be dysphoric to be trans.

Then you have the growing voices claiming to have been 'born female' even though they are and have always been demonstrably male, so the idea of 'transition' becomes truly meaningless.

This is about control. I don't know whether it is a precursor to something else, but the fact is that a specific group of people are making a concerted effort to undermine safeguarding across the board, dismantle aspects of the equality act and force compliance.

This is one of the reasons I don't use 'TRA' anymore, because the T is a smokescreen that obscures the sinister heart of this so that decent sorts look the other way.

Keep your wits about you.

They aren't talking about not recording it at all.

How does anybody know what sex somebody has if people.are able to change the gender markers on their documents?

I've never seen the documents of my children's teachers and childcare providers. I know they have undergone the appropriate safeguarding checks.

Passports could hold biological sex information in the chip. It doesn't have to be printed as a marker on the documentation.

Again, not having it is preferable to being able to change it with no evidence of the origins status to me. It should still be recorded. But I don't see a need for it to be on personal documentation. I can't think of any instance in my life where the sex written on my birth certificate has been used for anything where it was needed.

Welcome to Who do You think you are? On tonight's programme is , who traces his/her/they/zie family history back to the 2000s where we learn that had 4 grandmothers.

Floral I do agree. Probably my irony wasn't coming through clearly enough. I'm not looking on the bright side at all.

How does anybody know what sex somebody has if people.are able to change the gender markers on their documents?

It's generally fairly obvious when you see them.

Iused2BanOptimist, yeah, I hear you, but I know too well there is a tiny hope that maybe it will all collapse in on itself. I just don't think that is going to happen and I'm using every opportunity right now to flag that up.

Q- How does anybody know what sex somebody has if people.are able to change the gender markers on their documents?

A- It's generally fairly obvious when you see them.

Yes, but it’s often fairly obvious when you meet or speak to someone if they are a British-born UK citizen. I have an English name, a northern English accent, and a CV that runs from school to university to a full work history in England. I still have to show my passport to prove it when I start a new job.

I agree with you. Just pointing out that being able to change 'gender' on a form does not change reality.

This is the eradication of biological sex. Men and women are the same and interchangeable - nightmare! The ultimate goal for trans ideology.

R0wan I agree, hence why I'm wondering. However passports definitely are identity documents when you're travelling, especially if you're a country that doesn't have ID cards.

Hmmm. I’m rather on the fence about this.
I don’t see how it will make any difference. I don’t see the birth certificates of my friends but I know if they are male or female.
Its not going to make any difference to men oppressing women, who gets raped or who gets pregnant. Men aren’t going to suddenly stop cat calling women or ignoring them in meetings.

If it’s not going to make a difference then does it really matter?

Yes, but it’s often fairly obvious when you meet or speak to someone if they are a British-born UK citizen. I have an English name, a northern English accent, and a CV that runs from school to university to a full work history in England. I still have to show my passport to prove it when I start a new job.

I have a friend who has an English name, English accent, full English education from primary upwards and years of English work history. She is French.

Tasmania is pretty much the end of the earth. People still marry their first cousins there. I don’t think that a lack of sex stats is going to make much of a difference to services in an area that is considered generally deprived.

How does anybody know what sex somebody has if people.are able to change the gender markers on their documents?

Well, quite. That's one of the problems if people are allowed to change them.

I've never seen the documents of my children's teachers and childcare providers. I know they have undergone the appropriate safeguarding checks.

No, of course you haven't. But there is an expectation that their employers would have checked them in order to carry out the safeguarding checks. How can they do this if some information isn't recorded (like their sex)?

Passports could hold biological sex information in the chip. It doesn't have to be printed as a marker on the documentation.

When I got my first passport, I had to send my birth certificate to prove my identity. If the sex is not recorded on the birth certificate, how will the correct sex end up on the passport?

If it’s not going to make a difference then does it really matter?

If we cannot define who is doing what and to whom, we lose our existence as a class of people. We become unpeople and have no way of showing that we are being discriminated against or disadvantaged.

This is so fucking depressing.

And stupid.

If it’s not going to make a difference then does it really matter?

Do you disagree with having sex as a protected characteristic in the Equality Act? If sex is not recorded, that is where we end up.

But they said that sex will be recorded, just not on the birth certificate.
I guess the bigger question is will it be recorded on other documents, like when a child starts school, passports, driving licence etc.
If it’s only missing from one document then is that a problem?

Arranfan excellent post, I've saved it to share (with attribution) if you don't mind?

FloraBunting said: This is about control. I don't know whether it is a precursor to something else, but the fact is that a specific group of people are making a concerted effort to undermine safeguarding across the board, dismantle aspects of the equality act and force compliance.

I totally agree. Given the sheer amount of control they have accumulated (the power to legislate reality which everyone else must abide by) AND, in retrospect, the way each new stage builds upon the last, it feels as if it's a deliberated assemblage where something even more horrifying is planned.

Huh. Well there it is. Not that I'm surprised...actually frankly I'm a little surprised it's not Victoria.

(Whispers, sometimes I do wonder if Australia is like a test country for the UN machinations).

Arranfan excellent post, I've saved it to share (with attribution) if you don't mind?

Thank you, and, of course.