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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Campaign for separate biological sex services, policy and spaces. Start with political parties, Girl guides, M&S and schools?

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HilltopTractor · 22/10/2018 11:23

Jennifer James has the legal challenge against the Labour party.

Is there is legal challenge against the government for poor E&D over the gobbledygook GRA consultation?

Is there a legal challenge against anyone else in the pipeline?

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HilltopTractor · 22/10/2018 11:33

Is there scope for a case against the NHS/DfE/charity like cancer research and GG for damaging the mental and physical health, dignity, safety and privacy of females/women as a class?

Failure to deal with policy that allowed the woman in a MH ward, the gaslighting, the cervical smear transwoman HCP taking priority over the service user, the NHS failing to deal with Harrop, charities not naming women in campaign material?

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AncientLights · 22/10/2018 12:00

Don't know, OP. We'd need legal advice. There was a recent thread on here about insurance for organisations: if separation is sex-based but an assault occurs because the organisation has put males in with females, the insurers might take a very dim view. I know if I was in prison and had to even share a cell with a male body, even if said male body behaved himself, I'd sue the arse off MoJ upon release.

scepticalwoman · 22/10/2018 13:09

I reckon that there is some scope for this OP. We shouldn't have to wait for assaults to happen before challenging this. However, we do need to pick our battles. There would be a lot of money available for any crowdfunding I reckon as ordinary people are becoming aware of the outrageous demands that are being made. There's increasing talk about legal challenge and - as and when the right one is selected, I'll be contributing, as I guess will many many citizens (and not all of them women any longer).

Mumfun · 22/10/2018 14:00

Think legal challenges are very important. Need to coordinate to make sure effective. Also challenge charitable status. what happened to the challenge that was mooted to the guides for stopping being a single sex organisation on which their charitable status was based?

RiverTam · 22/10/2018 14:02

I would happily fund legal challenges to GG, YHA etc. I was shocked when completing the GRA consultation that the Equality Act is very clear that sleeping arrangements HAVE to be single sex. So given that GG are very publicly not doing this, why are they being allowed to?

Annasgirl · 22/10/2018 14:04

I was just thinking this today. Here in Ireland we already have self ID legislation with no public consultation - just whispered in with absolutely no thought or debate. I was wondering could we take a case to the ECHR to define the rights of biological women.

Ineedacupofteadesperately · 22/10/2018 14:23

I think one of the key points of any legal challenge must be the deception and the fact they are denying people the ability to make informed decisions for themselves and their children.

So M&S, GG etc still advertise as separating on sex (as most people understand it as per dictionary definitions) but are actually unisex, single gender (which is in itself a bit weird as in the case of changing rooms they only have 2 options not 71 to accommodate all genders).

If I was out shopping and didn't know, I would use a changing room labelled 'women' but I wouldn't use one (nor let my daughters use one) labelled unisex. But in the case of M&s their 'womans' changing rooms are unisex. And they're lying to customers and taking away that choice.

Juells · 22/10/2018 14:47

Annasgirl
Here in Ireland we already have self ID legislation with no public consultation - just whispered in with absolutely no thought or debate. I was wondering could we take a case to the ECHR to define the rights of biological women.

I contribute to lots of the campaigns in UK, purely because we don't have anything similar happening in Ireland. I'd love to see a legal challenge to what's happened here, but all the feminist groups support the menz.

Oldstyle · 22/10/2018 15:00

There's an ongoing legal challenge in Canada. A woman in a woman's hostel for recovering addicts was obliged to share a room with a male bodied TW. She was thrown out when she complained & the Canadian HR org refused to support her case since she had discriminated against him. Plus a case in Denmark where a woman was taken to court by a male-bodied, male-presenting TW when she challenged his right to be in the female changing rooms. He lost the case but she was put through hell. So yes, if we are going to mount any legal challenges we need to do so before this pernicious nonsense becomes obligatory.

ifonlyus · 22/10/2018 15:37

I'd certainly donate money and time to fight the Girl Guides and YHA policies. I mean, if the Equality Act exemptions are not being used in organisations and situations which most of the public would consider common sense, then it is a pointless piece of legislation.

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