Trevor Phillips in the Times

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Trans extremists are putting equality at risk

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/0fe1693a-d56f-11e8-926d-96790161a92a

Sorry I don't know how to do a share token but this is brilliant. Some extracts:

The disaster of the public consultation process on gender recognition has revealed a government so terrified of being labelled transphobic that it is ready to destroy half a century of painstakingly assembled anti-discrimination legislation to the detriment of every woman, person of colour and disabled individual in Britain.

The self-declaration principle, masquerading as compassionate recognition, risks making a mockery of the struggle for equality. If ministers give in to trans zealots, a white man would merely need to say “Today, I’m a black woman. I might not be tomorrow but, hey, who cares?” Well, I do. And so should everyone who genuinely believes in fairness.

Trevor Phillips WROTE the Equality Act 2010. How can politicians argue with him?



More than three, I think.

Get in early and often is my motto

712 comments.

Seems people have plenty to say when they are allowed to.

712 comments - and approximately two commentators disagreeing with Phillips, albeit multiple times.

Did you see Phillips reply to correct one man who thought the new proposals would still allow trans women to be excluded from single-sex services under the Equality Act? I guess he'd just believed the spin from Penny

I like the bit where one of the commentators tries to explain to Phillips the recommendations of the consultation that Phillips took part in.

There’s really no self-awareness.

I’ve been on holiday in Malta and Gozo for the past 10 days, and I have seen nothing here to suggest any kind of trans culture, community, what have you. And I’ve been looking.

This is, as pps, have said, a socially conservative, Catholic country, and I can only imagine that law got through becaouse it was so outlandishly beyond the wildest imagining of the Maltese people that It didn’t even register.

I think he’s realised that once they’ve come for the women, they’ll come for black people (and other minorities too) and he’ll be powerless to stop it

Well..some of us black people and minorities are also women - we're not 'other'-

They'll come for us first. Paris Lee's et al are very fond of comparing discrimination against transwomen, to discrimination against black women. Not that they care really, it's just useful and acceptable in the 'cause' it seems for white male born privilege to have the audacity, without even asking black womens' views, to think they know what it means to be a black woman.

It is a discussion that's had, albeit not on Mumsnet ..I'm not surprised about T Phillips analogy re black women in this respect. I understand clearly why he said it.

Brilliant article. I also wish he'd spoken out earlier but at least he has. There are many who still haven't.

Just printing the Malta comment text in The Times in full for the record. I'm still trying to figure out what she's implying:

This has nothing to do with Trans rights they know you cannot override objective realty (sex) with subjective identity (gender) If they choose gender over sex then everyone else loses. This has more to do with big business as an offshoot of the proposal to make identity 'fluid'. Both Linda Riley Labour LGBT Business adviser and Sue Graham Pascoe The Tory LGBT adviser both have a habit of liquidating companies with high book values.

The CEO of the EHRC David Isaacs was the subject of a judges comment on conflict of interest (a lawyer who works for the Business Sector and brought in Stonewalls 100 list of companies from banks to government agencies in a publicly funded organisation who may have to take discrimination cases against the government (or not). Nicky Morgan recruited him in 2016. The EHRCs response to the Scottish GRA consultation was that Nicky Morgan was looking into Companies House not 'dead naming' individuals who had cosmetic surgery and played out sex stereotypes for Companies House filing purposes. So in effect Riley would be named but Pascoe would not and be free to disguise their lack of business management.

When this whole affair was proposed to Maria Miller by equally 'dodgy' EU Rapoteur Deborah Schembri of Malta in December 2014 (she visited Miller to get approval for Resolution 2048 on sel id) It was in light of the Panama Papers scandals and the business affairs of prominent Maltese politicians. The journalist who exposed this was Daphne Galizia who was murdered by a car bomb not long after . Ms Schembri is now in charge of issuing birth certificates in Malta and has been associated with new properties in the millionaires mile of Malta.

This is just one example how gender self ID will impact on security and company law. Get a new birth certificate with no proof just a sex stereotype and liquidate, liquidate, liquidate.

I just refreshed the comments and not surprised to see Silver Lady at the top. I am positive she's a MNer! She and I seem to have very similar viewpoints so I 'see' her on many of the same articles I comment on (although I haven't needed to on this one as about 760 other people have done so already!)

It's a marked difference to just a few months ago.

Knowmydisrespect I haven't been back to Malta/Gozo since my teens when we regularly holidayed there and I long to go back! I used to be fascinated by all the old ladies in black making lace. I'm sure time has moved on but possibly not as far as wholesale embracing of self ID...

I think Manderley is right about things coming together and some people spotting an opportunity. It still seems somewhat outlandish to my innocent brain - self ID as a means of wiping your past. After all, surely it's a get out of jail free card that can only be played once. A Byzantine maze of off shore accounts seems much easier. And yet Cypress too?

I'm just going to stay cynical. I don't think many of the people driving this actually care a jot about trans people. Whatever they say.

Timelady It is all rather interesting. A few names to watch I would say. Plus Cypress.
I'm old enough to remember Polly Peck and Asil Nadir. He would have looked great in a dress in his prime.

• Cyprus

The Maltese process takes a maximum of 30 days:

The introduced procedure before a notary requires a simple declaration based on a person’s self-determination and prohibits requests for medical information. The entire process lasts a maximum of 30 days.

tgeu.org/malta-adopts-ground-breaking-trans-intersex-law/

H'mm, I remember the Polly Peck scandal too…..

Here's the full text of the Maltese Act

tgeu.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/Malta_GIGESC_trans_law_2015.pdf

So does part 3.2.c

(c) any personal or real right already acquired by third parties or any privilege or hypothecary right of a creditor acquired before the change in the gender identity of the person shall in no way be affected.

mean that creditors can still come looking for their money, even if you've legally changed your gender identity and your name?

Does anyone have access to the current court case in Ireland? The legitimacy of a summons and therefore case (?) is being challenged as it was issued in a person's name / sex before they aquired a self-id GRC.

It's recent, within the last few weeks.

This is from the Irish Act

18 (6) The issue of a gender recognition certificate shall not affect the rights or liabilities of a person or consequences of an action by the person in their original gender prior to the date of issue of the certificate.

www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/2015/act/25/enacted/en/print#sec18

Looks as though you're still liable for anything done in your dead-name to me.

I suppose the problem could be establishing what the new name is, or establishing what a dead name was, if this sort of information isn't supposed to be revealed once you have a GRC.

Maltese stuff is fascinating.

Places like Malta and Cyprus sell EU citizenship to Russians etc. It's part of the whole offshore haven infrastructure. Countries that will sell passports for cash no questions asked are happy to sell new identity of any form. Malta is "home" to lots of non Europeans for this purpose. It's easier to hide your identity if you are newly female, much harder to find a backstory.

This is part of Conservative culture, and I guess its not so surprising when Labour are so gullible to say; well if corruption in Malta is benefited by self ID so we should do the same. It's a long con.

Looks as though you're still liable for anything done in your dead-name to me.

The case is about the summons.

It raises an interesting issue about how are potential crimes, fines, debt recovery etc dealt with if not prosecuted before the legal 'transition'.

R0wan, only what is in the public domain. Case adjouned until November 21.

This from a couple of weeks ago.

Gardaí accused of prejudice against transgender person

A TRANSGENDER person has accused An Garda Síochána of being prejudiced against her for issuing summonses against her for drug offences in the male name she once carried.

At last week’s sitting of Castlebar District Court, Supt Joe McKenna made an application to amend the summonses so that the name of the defendant could be corrected. The court heard that the defendant was previously a man but had legally changed her name, and her gender to that of female, in 2016.

Ms Nicola Daly, solicitor for the defendant, asked the court to impose reporting restrictions in order for her client not to be named, due to the sensitive nature of the case. While there were no reporting restrictions imposed, the press members at the court agreed not to reveal the name of the defendant at this stage in the legal proceedings.

No longer exists
In June 6, 2017, the defendant was arrested in Castlebar for drug offences. She subsequently appeared before last week’s court charged with the possession of illegal drugs for sale and supply. Supt McKenna explained that when the defendant was arrested, she gave the male name she had previously been known by, and that this was the reason for the application to amend the summonses.

Ms Daly told Judge Fiona Lydon that while there was a discretion to amend summonses, she argued that this was not the case of a ‘typographical error’ and the person named on the summonses no longer exists.

She explained her client changed her name on June 9, 2016 and received a formal gender recognition certificate in June 2016 and a new birth certificate in July 2016. She said that at the time of the arrest, her client explained this to the Gardaí.

When the summons was issued it was in her old name, and, Ms Daly said, her client is not that person. Ms Daly said the Gardaí had been put on notice of her client’s identity and claimed they had prejudiced her client.

Supt McKenna denied that gardaí were informed by the defendant of her new gender when she was arrested, claiming she gave the name she was known as when she was a male, and also signed the custody record in that name. He said the Gardaí had not prejudiced anyone and that he did not believe there was an issue with his application to amend the name.

When asked by Judge Lydon if her client accepted she had given a different name when she was arrested, Ms Daly said she did not. However, she added her client could not recall what name she signed the custody record in.

Judge Lydon said she would need more evidence to determine the identity the defendant gave at the time of the offence before she could rule on the application. Supt McKenna said he will be able to produce video evidence from the investigating gardaí and the member in charge. Ms Daly said she will be making further legal submissions.

Judge Lydon adjourned the application until November 21 for the evidence to be heard.

www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b0bnb6vc/mediterranean-with-simon-reeve-series-1-episode-1

Interesting programme about the problems in Malta. Covers the car bombing of the journalist and the ID for sale.

The fact that politicians tell us places like this are to be held up as beacons of human rights should be listened to with extreme caution.

And in the Irish transgender case, the person had changed their name and got a GRC a full year before committing this offence.

But when arrested, the person gave the previous male name and not the new legal female name. Which we're told would never happen.