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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Skimming-over- the-surface article in Grauniad

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niceberg · 21/10/2018 18:20

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/oct/21/gender-recognition-act-reform-trans-people?CMP=ShareiOSAppp_Other

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SittingAround1 · 21/10/2018 18:27

Well that's not a totally one sided view point at all.
Nope, totally balanced article there.
It's just administration after all.

MidLifeCrisis2017 · 21/10/2018 18:27

Just read that too. No suggestion that natal women also have rights and deserve respect.

Childrenofthestones · 21/10/2018 18:30

And as usual you're not allowed to comment.
Ironically they call it "Comment is Free"

hackmum · 21/10/2018 18:43

I’m pretty sure that whoever edits the Guardian’s comment pages has drunk the kool aid. The Guardian as a whole is pretty bad, but the comment pages are absolutely appalling.

niceberg · 21/10/2018 18:43

Unbelievable isn’t it? Nothing to see here!

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transdimensional · 21/10/2018 19:11

EHRC guidance is that "The sex discrimination exceptions in the Equality Act... apply differently to a trans person with a GRC or without a GRC". If this is true (and I think it's been disputed, for the law is pretty unclear) then making it easier to get a GRC is far from being purely a matter of making it easier for trans people to get new birth certificates. It has obvious implications beyond that.

The fact that it may take a long time to meet the specialists and get a diagnosis is, it seems to me, a complaint about NHS waiting times, and shouldn't be confused with being a coherent argument against the gatekeeping mechanism in the GRA.

Btw, athough the author complains that "to a group of people who don’t know me and whom I will never meet", it would be invidious for the GRC to be decided upon by friends and acquaintances of the applicant. And the GRA allows the Panel to meet applicants if they feel it's necessary. In Jay v Secretary of State ( www.cloisters.com/images/M_Jay_v_Sec_of_State_for_Justice_2018_EWHC_2620_Fam_003.pdf ) it was recently held that the Panel has a duty to consider whether it's necessary to hold a hearing. But I don't necessarily see the value in compelling the Panel to hold a hearing if the evidence is clear-cut enough that it can make a decision without meeting the applicant.

gendercritter · 21/10/2018 21:17

There's another one here www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/oct/22/rapid-onset-gender-dysphoria-is-a-poisonous-lie-used-to-discredit-trans-people

The author has had the nerve to compare children being sterilized to playing sports! And claims trans teens can be very happy. Never mind the full effects of them transitioning won't be fully comprehended or felt for many years in some cases

transdimensional · 21/10/2018 21:35

Hm, so Liz Duck-Chong (in that second piece) says rapid onset gender dysphoria (rogd) is "not a real condition" (and the headline calls it a "poisonous lie", though this emotive expression doesn't appear in LDC's article, and authors usually don't write the headlines). But what is LDC's evidence for it being "not a real condition"? Well, she cites a non-committal statement by the World Professional Association for Transgender Health saying that it is a "proposed clinical phenomenon" that may or may not warrant further study. It seems to me that this non-committal statement about how it's not yet a widely or officially recognised condition is far removed from saying that it's not real or that it's a lie.

moofolk · 21/10/2018 21:58

Guardian quickly back pedalling from one almost balanced article the other day.

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