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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Daily ?Mail are in fire “MELANIE McDONAGH: Making gender identity an issue creates confusion, self-doubt and worry in young people”

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Rumbledore · 21/10/2018 09:34

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6299143/MELANIE-McDONAGH-Making-gender-identity-issue-creates-confusion-self-doubt-worry.html#comments

Thanks to CuntsRUs for sharing

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Rumbledore · 21/10/2018 09:35

sorry for all the typos Blush

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HandsOffMyRights · 21/10/2018 10:07

So true

It’s not just that we’re being asked to collude in a legal fiction. It’s that making gender identity an issue in the first place creates confusion, self-doubt and worry in young people – the ones whose mental health we’re so worried about.

AtrociousCircumstance · 21/10/2018 10:08

Can’t believe I’m agreeing so powerfully with the Fail. But I am.

Amazing to see this being expressed.

Cuntysnark · 21/10/2018 10:09

I’ve just read my mums print copy. Interesting one liner gem in the magazine bit from Kate Humble...

Rumbledore · 21/10/2018 10:13

Right at the bottom of the linked article, "Keira should get her fairy story straight".
"Let’s hope little Edie isn’t allowed to see her mother’s latest film either. In Colette, out in January, Keira – pictured left – plays a bisexual French writer who has an affair with a baron who is actually a woman and uses the male pronoun."

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Ereshkigal · 21/10/2018 10:19

Someone has mentioned in the comments that the deadline has been extended.

loveyouradvice · 21/10/2018 11:10

Gosh I love the Mail ... never thought I would say that!!!

They are being wonderfully and appropriately outspoken - actually take a step back - before all this happened we would consider them as not actually saying enough considering the scale of the issue - BUT in today's world where others are either afraid or woke, this counts as revolutionary journalism!

It’s that making gender identity an issue in the first place creates confusion, self-doubt and worry in young people – the ones whose mental health we’re so worried about. This in spades!

Though VERY VERY glad to see that Mind are asking if you are Male or Female before asking if you are something else.... REALLY GLAD that they haven't gone the gender route and are sticking to sex.

And I read their next question about transgender as helpful because i suspect in this current climate people will be claiming to be Female who were born Male

hackmum · 21/10/2018 11:21

Good piece. I also agree with her about the grooming gangs:

"What’s the other thing the Huddersfield gang-grooming has in common with all the other gang- grooming (see above)? That’s right. When the girls’ families told police that Asian men were brutalising their daughters, the police did precisely… zero.

"They were more worried about Islamophobia accusations than protecting girls. An idiot police spokesman declared: ‘Lessons have been learned.’ Yeah, right. How about sacking the police chiefs who presided over what looks rather like collusion in rape? "

I don't necessarily agree that the police were worried about Islamophobia questions (I think West Yorkshire police just hate girls and women), but I do think they should damn well sack the police chiefs responsible.

A lot of people are saying they feel shocked at agreeing with the Mail. I used to be the same. I used to despise the Mail and everything it represented. One of the things I've come to realise over the past couple of years is that the Mail does a lot of good reporting that leaves the Guardian and Observer trailing. I remember when the Kids Company scandal broke, they ran loads of good investigative pieces compared to next to nothing in the Guardian. Ditto Savile - they really pursued the case. If there's a story about poor care in a hospital, the Mail is on it like a terrier. And their reporting on issues such as transactivism's assault on women's and girls' rights has been excellent. As we know, the Guardian has been absolutely pathetic on the issue.

It should remind us all of the importance of a free press. However much we disapprove of what the Mail stands for, it's doing good work to uncover a lot of stories that we just wouldn't otherwise know about.

WTFIsAGleepglorp · 21/10/2018 11:23

Surprised they haven't mentioned the smoke bomb/flare demonstration on Friday.

BoreOfWhabylon · 21/10/2018 11:30

The Mail has been running gender-critcal stuff for quite a while. Joani Walsh did a great piece on Man Firday. It's stepping up the pace now though.

The Mail, The Times and Spectator were the first, others are now emboldened to speak up. The genie is well and truly out of the bottle.

Light is being shone on the cult. Irrespective of the results if the consultation, their plans are scuppered.

BiologyMatters · 21/10/2018 11:32

That's two trans critical articles I've seen linked to this morning from them. I think the TRAs are going to come to regret Fridays little stunt.

wingwarbler · 21/10/2018 11:49

I agree Hackmum Much as I dislike the sidebar of shame and much of their general politics, the Mail have a lot of the time been very good at investigative exposes and covering paedophile and some child abuse issues. They aren't afraid to tackle and bring down sleazy politicians when they want to.

WhereYouLeftIt · 21/10/2018 17:13

Oh yes Cuntysnark, hats off to Kate Humble.

www.dailymail.co.uk/home/you/article-6281561/Quickfire-Kate-Humble.html

ijustwannadance · 21/10/2018 17:48

"trans people with penises – otherwise known as men"

Love this line.

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