WHO / International Classification of Diseases

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A common refrain among trans activists is that the World Health Organisation has removed gender dysphoria from the ICD (International Classification of Diseases).

It is true that in the final draft of ICD-11 (due for final approval next year), gender dysphoria (previous known to the WHO as gender identity disorder, and known in ICD-11 as "gender incongruence") is moved out of the "disorders" section. The main rationale is to reduce stigma.

For that matter, the UK government had already stated as long ago as 2001 that it didn't regard gender dysphoria as a mental illness. So for trans activists to use its status as a non-illness as a reason for getting rid of the medical evidence required for a GRC is a non-sequitur, since the requirement for medical evidence doesn't rest on gender dysphoria being categorised as a disorder.

The fact is that although it's no longer categorised as a disorder, it still appears in ICD-11 and still has a list of associated diagnostic criteria and information on associated treatments. So it makes perfect sense that medical evidence should still be required for a GRC.

Interesting, thank you.

The WHO fudge was to de-stigmatise it as much as possible without de medicalising so much that insurers could refuse treatment.

It's interesting that the UK Gender Identity Service (GIS) has decided to rename as Gender Dysphoria Service (GDS). They don't want to treat "lifestyle" presentations only actual dysphoria cases. Can't find the announcement now.

Obviously the chaps wanting a pair of moobs to go with their penis on the NHS won't be too chuffed about not getting them free....

There’s been a concerted push to get both ICD and DSM changed. More details in the article here and good discussion in the thread itself as to why/who benefits etc

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3328210-Follow-the-money-who-is-funding-the-US-transborg

Oh Very help full thanks !

Have they 'destigmatised' depression? Or anorexia? Self-harming? OCD?

Why does disordered thinking about your own gender need to be 'destigmatised'?

I suppose the narrative from the TRAs is that it's just natural human variation, as same sex attraction is, rather than dysfunction - it's a feature not a bug.

I think that does a huge disservice to people with genuine gender dysphoria or those for whom it's a response to trauma or just a sexist world.

I suppose the narrative from the TRAs is that it's just natural human variation, as same sex attraction is, rather than dysfunction - it's a feature not a bug.

So do they give any explanation for their insistence that children need to be medicated as early as possible? If it's natural variation, why do they need to be medicated at all?

Well that’s the 64,000 dollar question isn’t it, oldcrone.?

Nothing to see here, move along...

Both my questions too, jellyslice and OldCrone .

Also see Peter Dunne’s opinion in the guardian this week. Advocating for children to be able to consent earlier to life changing processes. Very important apparently that we recognise the right of children to consent to stuff earlier. Very. He’s advised the UN on it.

But nothing to see here. Move along. Oh and Dunne is a founding member of TELI. But the group created to push legal precedents and the push for children to consent to drugs etc earlier is fine. There is absolutely nothing to see here.

Whichever journo picks all this up and runs with it is going to have an interesting few years. Probably bucketloads of abuse, followed by a Pulitzer awarded to the sound of furious back-pedalling

Neurodiversity is a natural human variation. We still need the individual disorders categorised in icd/dsm though so we can access medical diagnosis, treatment and medications for the negative effects on our functioning and well being that nuerodiverse conditions can cause us. Natural human variation and disabling effects that require medical treatment are not incompatible concepts. Some of us may require some treatment for some of the ways in which neurodiversity disable us, while still being able to recognise the other positive or neutral ways it effects us, and being able to see how medicalisation of neurodiverse conditions isn’t necessary for all of us (in the way type one diabetes will always need medically addressed).

The way to destigmatise a disorder is to recognise it, accept its existence, carry out research to find the best treatments, and make appropriate treatment available, thus supporting people with the disorder to openly lead fulfilling lives as functioning members of society.

Not to pretend that it doesn't exist!

NewWomen's I think your comments about people with personality disorders are shocking. I work with women with personality disorders who have them as a result of childhood abuse, neglect, rape, trafficking, being in care etc. and not only have they had these horrific things happen to them in the first place, they also have to deal with ignorant comments like yours, which prevent them from seeking help and healing from trauma.

Personality disorders are likely to be caused by the way neural pathways in the brain have developed as a result of the trauma. They are not within direct conscious control, although there are ways to get better, so comments like yours are like abusing people who have physical illnesses and disabilities for them.