"Hard won women's rights"

[WomanAndProud]

I've seen this phrase a bit more recently, usually by people wanting to show that they "understand" why women are upset by the trans rights activists and to understand our position in the "debate".

But it's not because they were "hard won" that our rights are important - although they were, and are, "hard won" - it's because they are our rights!

Had to get that off my chest.

Have a good morning!

I'm not sure, I find the phrase useful because yes they are our rights now, but it's a reminder that women had to fight for them in the first place because of what they were up against, and evidently what we are still up against.

I've just seen a similar post in a full house bingo card if cognitive dissonance and I'm so fucking fucked off with the stupidity around it it's nothing more than a token nod to 'I'm a feminist innit'.

I like the phrase because it shows that they weren't given to use, we had to take them from men. Now men are trying to take them away.

to us, blaaaaahhhh

Exactly Pye

Men are trying to take the rights back. I find it weird when people can't see the maleness in all this - the intimidation, the old boys power network, the doxxing, the dominance displays, the tactical crying, the actual violence. They are the patriarchy and yet they are fooling so many young girls.

What Pye said

I think the hard won part is important too. It does emphasise that women had to battle to get things like womens toilets and maternity rights and we could lose it all if woman becomes a meaningless term.

I agree it's important, VERY important - but the people who are saying it in the context I'm talking about, usually are giving it lip service. If someone means it genuinely, I've no problem at all. It's when it's used by someone who is essentially trying to undermine those rights, TRAs/their supporters who adopt a 'softer' approach, for example. They use it to show that they're 'with' us, they 'understand' us.

Something like "We're not out to take away the hard won rights of women, transwomen are women too and they are having to fight for their right to be accepted by feminists." That sort of thing. Or "We're in full support of the hard won rights of women, all women, and transwomen as women, should have the same rights [aka access to women's spaces]."

Well, to be fair everything these people say is unbearably infuriating. Why limit it to two words...