GRA consultation query on q9

[gallicgirl]

Trying to complete the consultation and I've got a bit stuck at question 9 which discusses privacy and disclosure.

I would obviously hate for an individual to have personal information disclosed without their permission. We all have a right to privacy.
However, I'm concerned that there could be situations, particularly involving my DD, when I think I'd like to know if a male is present so I can better decide on how to act.

What are your thoughts and how do I reconcile the two positions?

Not sure but you don’t necessarily have to come up with a solution to write down your concerns.

Have you checked both FPFW andvWPUK guidance for ideas?

What's wpuk please?

I don't understand the privacy concern tbh. We all have sex organs. Why are they so coy about it?

What are your thoughts and how do I reconcile the two positions?
Who do you think deserves most protection: an adult or a minor.

WPUK = woman's place UK link

Fair Play for Women's answers were a bit fuller than WPUK. Both useful. Here's question 9
fairplayforwomen.com/full_guide/#q9

Sorry - thought that link went directly to q9 but it looks like you have to scroll and click

That's useful, thanks Senua.

Yeah, in an ideal world I'd love to say who cares what jiggly bits other people in the room have and I wish we lived in a world where it didn't matter.
But then I think about my 7 year old and worry about all the shitty people in the world. I totally recognise that's my issue though.

I don't think this question is about ordinary people having access to information about transpeople's birth sex. They would never allow that.

It's more about single sex service providers and also they want to know, I think, whether transpeople think the provisions are adequate. Have you looked at the Fair play for women website? I think that gives good guidance on how to complete the questions.

I totally recognise that's my issue though.

Woah, that sounds like victim-blaming to me.
I'd like to know what jiggly bits other people have so I know if I have to be on my guard or not. I'm not quite sure why their 'privacy' (have we travelled back to prim Victorian times? we all know that everyone has jiggly bits of some variety, it's not a secret) overrides women's and girls' safety.

No, it's not. I'm just not assuming that every transsexual is a pervert and a predator.

According to the FPFW guidance Q9 is about birth certificates and whether someone with a GRC has the right to a falsified birth certificate describing them as having been^^ born as the opposite sex. And then, if this is allowed to happen, whether there's any way for someone checking their documentation to know that this is a legal fiction. It comes down to whether the right of a trans person to hide their trans status trumps the rights of say a single-sex organisation to correctly identify the birth sex of their staff. It also means you could end up staring at a bieth certificate that says "female" while at the same time looking at a person whose biology says "man".

I wonder why adopted people dont have that same right to a new birth certificate? I’m guessing they are not vocal enough.

And of course if you are short of time and aren't sure what to right there is no harm in leaving questions blank.

I'm just not assuming that every transsexual is a pervert and a predator.

I'm not either. I'd just like to be fully informed.

I think you misunderstood me. When I said victim-blaming, I meant that you (and every other female who has to live by what-if-THIS-male-bodied-person-is-the-one-in-a-thousand pervert/predator...) are the victims. Don't blame yourself for being on guard. It's not an unfounded 'issue'.

if you are short of time

the consultation has been extended to noon Monday.

Thank you everyone. I've done a lot of it and sometimes just tried to put what my basic concerns are. This one really stumped me because I can see both sides of the argument. As Senua said though, the rights of a minor must trump the rights of the trans person on this case and the state will have to find the solution.