'Womens' prisons are not nice places' (may be upsetting)

[amandadecabernet]

I read on another thread about a bloke trivialising the potential risk to female prisoners living alongside convicted rapists (women's prisons are 'not nice places' apparently). If you feel no compassion for them please read these stats from Women in Prison (WIP): www.womeninprison.org.uk/research/key-facts.php

Most women in prison have suffered abuse as children, a third have been in care, over 80% have committed a non-violent offence and theft offences accounted for nearly half (48%) of all custodial sentences given to women in 2016. Contrast with 25% of male prisoners in custody for 'violence against the person' followed by 15% for sexual offences and 15% for theft (in 2018).

What is described in that report simply as self-harm can be very extreme.

There is so little support for these women, they are among the most vulnerable people in society. I don't want them to be thrown under the bus in this debate because they're unappealing or because we can't imagine ourselves in that situation.

OP, I'm not sure why you are imploring the women here, when we already care mightily about these women and are working hard to prevent any more travesties happening.

It's the woke folk elsewhere you need to convince.

That may be the case. I can't remember where I read various statements about not attempting to peaktrans your friends with the prison example. I thought it was on the fem boards.
Not sure I have the stomach to put this in AIBU on this particular day.

Women on FWR express a great deal of concern for women in prison. Tbh I've seen the same concern in AIBU threads discussing the Karen White case. I think it's mainly MRAs who think women should put up with rapists in prison.

I read on another thread about a bloke trivialising the potential risk to female prisoners

Wouldn't your efforts be better spent tracking down that thread/bloke, and posting the link and stats there? You are preaching to the converted here.

In my experience it's the Karen White story that is most effective at peak transing men and women. I'm talking most to MC lefties and we're all aware (even if not all of us do much about it) how vulnerable these women are and how much they are victims of circumstance.

amandadecabernet there's a general consensus that rape happens in men's prisons. It's joked about, it's become a trope, and plenty of people seem to think it's a part of the punitive regime itself - you see plenty of comments about murderers or paedophiles along those lines.
Here that would be challenged. Rape isn't funny, it isn't deserved no matter what someone is convicted of, and it needs looking at in the male prison estate. Plenty needs looking at in the male estate and the prison service generally, off the top of my head I'd say understaffing, staff conditions, drug and phone smuggling, drones, lack of activities/rehab/training for inmates due to staffing levels and cuts, religious compulsion, rape and sexual abuse, no books, an underfunded and fractured probation service, lack of medical and especially mental health care, outdated facilities, overcrowding, I could go on all night.
We need to spend a lot more on the prison service (and customs, and immigration, and the police, and the ambulance service, and the fire brigades, and legal aid) but the public seem happy for them to be "not nice places" despite the massive rates of recidivism.

Ah that was my thread... my "mate" 🙄 I've namechanged 😁

Women generally tend to go to prison for less violent crimes (of course women do commit violence too... just overall we commit less of it than men) so a woman is more likely to be in prison for something like fraud or drug possession etc (and whilst women will also murder etc, there will be less murderers I would imagine in a female prison and definitely less sexual offenders)

But yeah here I think we are converted and mad already about the idea of men being in women's prisons and understand it's not nice in either a men or women's prison but still doesn't mean a man being in a women's prison will have the same experience of punishment as being in a men's one, in comparison he's probably going to have a holiday in women's over a men's one. Women are much kinder beings usually what with all that female socialisation. So we shouldn't have Karen White pricks in female prisons with the lovely kind women who won't mind a rapist joining them 🙄😔 (except we do mind, and have every right to!)

Privatising prisons is, I think, human rights abuse. Legal proceedings, conviction and punishment are processes owned and controlled by the state. It is an abrogation if responsibility to then hand the management of prisoners over to for-profit companies with often, very shady, backgrounds.

Like health, education, aged care, it is only possible to make money from prison management if the company is willing to sacrifice the well-being of inmates and staff. Prisons have never been good places, but if you combine an increase in punitive legislation, cutting social welfare funding to the bone, and the privatisation of prisons, inevitably it will go badly wrong for vulnerable people.

For women, allowing violent men into their prisons is dangerous and a violation of their human rights.

There seem to be a number of “Karen” Whites around.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6179341/Outrage-transgender-child-groomer-legally-female-womens-jail.html