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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

In the National [do not read if you have high blood pressure]

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ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 19/10/2018 15:43

thenational.scot/news/16993203.gender-recognition-act-debate-is-being-used-to-roll-back-trans-rights/

IT has been an odd facet of the debate around trans rights that those claiming to be silenced have managed to publish endless commentary in major newspapers, while the voices of trans people have remained remarkably absent

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Anti-trans activists have used the GRA consultation as a springboard to discuss rolling back the rights that trans people already have, and in doing so have painted a one-sided picture that is more than reminiscent of Project Fear. [For non Scots the National is a pro independence paper, here the writer suggests that if you don't support trans people you are a unionist]

The case of Ann Henderson this week is a prime example. The Edinburgh Uni rector was accused of transphobia after sharing links to a Westminster event that claimed it wanted to ask questions about the GRA. Supporters of Henderson say these accusations are simply a means to shut down debate, but the reality is more complicated.

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Gender Recognition Act debate is being used to roll back trans rights
By Stephen Paton @stephenpaton134
Proposed changes to the GRA would simplify the process by which trans people can self-declare their identity
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IT has been an odd facet of the debate around trans rights that those claiming to be silenced have managed to publish endless commentary in major newspapers, while the voices of trans people have remained remarkably absent.

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For all intents and purposes, this is a national debate that has barely engaged with one of its key players and, without that perspective, a truly toxic environment around the Gender Recognition Act (GRA) has been allowed to flourish – and the responsibility lies squarely at the feet of anti-trans activists.

The word trans comes from the Latin “across” or “beyond” and is used as an umbrella term for a range of identities for people whose gender does not match what they were thought to be at birth. These include trans men who are men that were assigned female at birth, trans women who are women that were assigned male at birth, and non-binary people who do not identify as male or female, regardless of what they were assigned at birth.

READ MORE: Questioning gender law is not a form of transphobia

Proposed changes to the GRA would allow trans people to self-declare their identity, skipping what is at the moment a lengthy and degrading process. It could also allow for the legal recognition of non-binary people like myself.

However you could be forgiven for thinking that the GRA was about trans women having access to women-only spaces. I’m going to let you in on the truth: they already do.

Trans men use male bathrooms. Trans women use women’s. Services such as Rape Crisis Scotland and Women’s Aid already provide access to self-declared trans women seeking refuge without incident.

Their right to do so is enshrined already in the Equality Act.

Anti-trans activists have used the GRA consultation as a springboard to discuss rolling back the rights that trans people already have, and in doing so have painted a one-sided picture that is more than reminiscent of Project Fear.

The case of Ann Henderson this week is a prime example. The Edinburgh Uni rector was accused of transphobia after sharing links to a Westminster event that claimed it wanted to ask questions about the GRA. Supporters of Henderson say these accusations are simply a means to shut down debate, but the reality is more complicated.

The debate was supported by A Woman’s Place, Fair Play for Women and Transgender Trend.

Between them they have encouraged followers to smear bloody tampons on the walls of public bathrooms with the intention of scaring away trans women; they’ve had to delete years worth of tweets after they were exposed as transphobic online;

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The reality of being trans is holding a loved one as they shake with tears after being denied surgery for the third time, or watching as another is screamed at on live television that they are not what they are.

Trans women face horrifying degrees of assault and sexual violence, yet anti-trans activists argue they should be rejected from women-only spaces on the basis that a man could abuse the system.

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ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 19/10/2018 15:44

Shit. Sorry about the dodgy C&P Blush

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CaptainKirksSpookyghost · 19/10/2018 15:46

Nothing new there, isn't it the same as the billion other articles?

frogintheTyne · 19/10/2018 15:51

I'm a member of the SNP and am seriously reconsidering over this type of crap - if you're GC you're a unionist. And the SNP wonders why it might have a problem with women voters?

morningtoncrescent62 · 19/10/2018 16:00

Makes me glad to be a no-voter (Scottish indyref). Same old crap from the National - apart from the one sensible and bending-over-backwards-to-be-accommodating article last weekend they've plugged the TRA line relentlessly.

breastfeedingclownfish · 19/10/2018 16:02

That's the tosser who was on the John Beattie show at lunctime, with James Kirkup. It's really worth a listen, for a whole number of reasons, but especially the lies he was telling about feminists. Hope they sue his ass.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3399313-James-Kirkup-on-Radio-Scotland

www.bbc.co.uk/radio/player/bbc_radio_scotland_fm

about minus 25 mins

Yambabe · 19/10/2018 16:03

But doesn't "trans" as in trans man or trans woman mean "transitioned"? Or have I had that wrong for all these years?

breastfeedingclownfish · 19/10/2018 16:03

If you are member of the SNP, go to the meetings and ask about this frog

HamiltonCork · 19/10/2018 16:11

It's in the National - practically no one reads it.

wingwarbler · 19/10/2018 16:15

Might be the usual fare, but can the papers get away with printing such bare faced lies and misinformation about any other subject? It really grates.

Galvantula · 19/10/2018 16:21

@yambabe nope, if you Google the trans umbrella it now includes cross dressers and all manner of non-binary people... Apparently.

scotsheather · 19/10/2018 16:49

Yes we're selfish old gits aren't we. Puting our rights on an equal footing with those of men and transgender people. We see trans as an evil that must be defeated and thats bigoted isn't it.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 19/10/2018 16:54

Might be the usual fare, but can the papers get away with printing such bare faced lies and misinformation about any other subject? It really grates.

YY. I'm a bit dubious about the claim that FPFW / A Women's Place / Transgender Trend were encouraging women to smear used tampons on walls to scare away transwomen...

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PinkCalluna · 19/10/2018 16:59

It’s a very odd idea that being GC necessarily equates to being ani independence...

I’m pro independence but will struggle to continue to vote SNP if they don’t sort themselves out on this issue.

Beesandfrogsandfleas · 19/10/2018 17:03

We must all have missed that memo... don't we all use mooncups now anyway?

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 19/10/2018 17:08

I have seen women joking about menstrual blood scaring away transwomen, in the context of trans people trying to silence women discussing periods on the grounds that it triggering.
It was not something they were seriously discussing with a view to actually doing it...

nononsene · 19/10/2018 17:14

There’s no way the SNP will backtrack on this issue. They’ve totally drunk the kool aid on this one. Plus if self id doesn’t go through in the rest of the uk and does in Scotland they’ll be crowing over how progressive they are compared to the evil toaries.

nononsene · 19/10/2018 17:26

Most of the comments underneath are pretty good though which is heartening.

LassWiADelicateAir · 19/10/2018 17:41

It’s a very odd idea that being GC necessarily equates to being ani independence...

I'm not particularly GC by the standards on here but am vehemently anti-separatist.

The National was complaining newsagents don't stock it. I've now read my 2 permitted articles and it requires me to subscribe and pay up. Oh how I laughed.

nononsene · 19/10/2018 18:05

It’s just nat logic isn’t it. Any criticism of the SNP is only because it’s a ploy to damage the independence cause. Nothing to do with looking at each issue separately on its own merits.

Although I wonder how they cope with Wings being very vocally GC?

BlackForestCake · 19/10/2018 18:12

Oh, certain elements (not really in the SNP, more the Green and woke Taliban milieu) have been complaining very loudly about Wings for a long time and how toxic he is and should have no place in the independence movement. They are very fond of the phrase “no place”. You wonder how many other opinions there would be no place for if they were in charge.

frogintheTyne · 19/10/2018 20:59

breastfeedingclownfish - go to the meetings and ask about this You're right. I should.

Got no reply from my SNP MP regarding the FPFW event at HOC when I emailed. Didn't expect one.

breastfeedingclownfish · 19/10/2018 21:11

You might well laugh lass but if the term 'female' is legally permitted to include males, we are all in trouble.

I think at this point it's a non partisan issue

PersonWithAVulva · 19/10/2018 23:15

Between them they have encouraged followers to smear bloody tampons on the walls of public bathrooms with the intention of scaring away trans women;

What the actual fuck?

PersonWithAVulva · 19/10/2018 23:21

When my 4 year old daughter is caught short when we're out together, I usually take her to the disabled toilet. But if there isn't one available, I have two options: men's or ladies'. Not much choice really, I take her to the ladies. Since it's all cubicles there's no real privacy issue. Very few people would say that's the wrong choice.

Dickhead in the comments, of course thats not ok.

My husband takes our daughter in the mens. Since there is a cubicle there's no privacy issue. As he says. Like, why the fuck would a guy think this was OK? Is it not normal to take small children into the areas of your sex? I can't believe anyone would think this is OK, though not too surprising from a bloke who doesn't know/care about women (and especially the likes of Muslim women)

StrangeLookingParasite · 19/10/2018 23:31

What a self-promoting twat, sooo desperate to be different. Comes across as being about 14.

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