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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Times article about Metro ad and GCHQ

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Igneococcus · 19/10/2018 06:22

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/spies-accused-of-breaching-rules-by-backing-stonewall-tkc66xc2q?shareToken=e167f0b9ef49f8e9c4c7ae4d66884e4a

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KatVonGulag · 19/10/2018 06:57

I wonder if stonewall even asked them?

The whole thing is very dodgy in the least! Hope it's fully investigated.

boatyardblues · 19/10/2018 07:17

There a link to today’s leading article - about the consulation and the conflict of rights - below this piece.

rightreckoner · 19/10/2018 07:19

Sounds like GCHQ didn’t know what they were doing - that signing up to Stonewall’s bullshit employers award you automatically sign up to TWAW and penises everywhere. And you sign up to breaking the civil service code. Silly spies Angry

Bespin · 19/10/2018 07:25

wow totally non story journalist thinks something organisation says no its this journalist goes oh OK then.

KataraJean · 19/10/2018 07:26

The article says people ‘who want to live in a gender that does not match their biological sex’

What even is living in a gender? It can only be feminine/masculine, which is stereotypes and expectations of how people can be.

I know it is not the point, but the whole premise makes me so annoyed. Surely people can live how they like, presentation-wise, there is no need for the fiction that their sex has changed too. That seems to me such a basic understanding that I question why it is even an issue.

DisrespectfulAdultFemale · 19/10/2018 07:27

Fuck off, GCHQ. And take Jeremy Corbyn and Wee Owen with you.

Transwomen are not women.

Women do not have penises.

Women are adult human females.

deepwatersolo · 19/10/2018 07:34

And who wouldn‘t embrace without suspicion a movement that tries to upend the structure of society by destroying the language needed to describe physical reality and is backed up by Big Brother GCHQ.

AngryAttackKittens · 19/10/2018 07:41

Enough Newspeak. Gender is meaningless. Sex is important, and unchangeable.

Off you fuck with the attempts at linguistic reprogramming.

Branleuse · 19/10/2018 07:49

GCHQ, the government’s listening agency in Cheltenham, has been accused of flouting lobbying rules by declaring its support for Stonewall in the debate over transgender rights.

Today is the end of the consultation on proposals to reform the Gender Recognition Act to streamline the process of changing legal gender to make it less bureaucratic and onerous for people who wish to live in a gender that does not match their biological sex.

The proposed reforms have divided opinion on how to balance rights for transgender people with the protections already afforded to other groups, particularly biological women.

Cabinet Office rules say that public bodies must not lobby and must remain politically impartial.

Critics have asked why government bodies such as GCHQ, the Intellectual Property Office and the Welsh government appeared with corporate sponsors and campaign groups in support of Stonewall, the lobbying charity, in a full-page advert in the Metro this week.

James Kirkup, the journalist, said: “GCHQ . . . is using public resources to support an organisation that is lobbying ministers to change the law. How does that fit with Cabinet Office rules?”

GCHQ’s support for transgender rights is a change of direction for the agency, which banned gay staff until the 1990s. Two years ago it apologised for its historic prejudice and its “horrifying” treatment of Alan Turing, who lost his job with the secret service after being convicted of indecency and was chemically castrated.

It has since been a keen supporter of Stonewall and made a concerted effort to appear in its top 100 employers’ list.

The charity has lobbied for the dismantling of single-sex spaces. Ruth Hunt, its chief executive, has insisted that there is no conflict between women’s rights and the rights of biological men who identify as women.

GCHQ said: “We are not seeking to lobby government, and did not pay for our logo to appear on Stonewall’s poster; we are simply proud of our diverse workforce. We have worked with Stonewall for many years as part of our work to make the organisation as supportive and inclusive as possible.”

Branleuse · 19/10/2018 07:49

Copied and pasted for those out of free articles

scepticalwoman · 19/10/2018 07:54

I wonder whether all these organsations understood that they have signed up to Stonewall's position of removing the rights of women. What a way to piss off half the population.

Seems a good place to share the petition - so many powerful comments underneath from Stonewall's natural allies and supporters:

www.ipetitions.com/petition/dear-stonewall-please-reconsider-your-approach

deepwatersolo · 19/10/2018 08:01

sceptical I very much doubt that organizations like GCHQ do not know exactly, what they are doing. Same with Iraq amongst other things. ‚Mistakes were made‘ is always the easy cop out, when ‚the powers that be‘ have knowingly pushed through policies that are detrimental to anyone else, once the people finally catch up and start counting the bodies.

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