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BBC2 Politics Live TODAY, 18 Oct

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oneWeirdReSister · 18/10/2018 12:07

1215 BBC2 #politicslive Brexit, health rationing and the 1st of 2 films on trans rights. Tomorrow we hear from young trans women about why they want change and today @ElizabethGlinka meets feminist activists from @WomansPlaceUK concerned about the effect on women’s rights.

twitter.com/RobBurl/status/1052852829818445824

This piece is from film taken at the Liverpool WPUK meeting last month.

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FlowersAndHerts · 18/10/2018 13:01

Theresa Villiers couldn't sit on the fence more if she tried.
This

MrsSnippyPants · 18/10/2018 13:02

Argggggghhhhh!!!!!!
Mansplaining yet again.

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 18/10/2018 13:02

Pink News guy came across as a nasty, misogynist piece of work. Woman in green was awesome. Film was a muddle and didn't make it clear what the issues were, but the women came across as sincere and not hateful.

LorettasBox · 18/10/2018 13:03

The film was reasonable. Cohen actually rolled his eyes to the ceiling when sports were mentioned, and he shrugged when he said 'prisons'.

AbsintheFriends · 18/10/2018 13:04

There is never any sense on the TRA side. Ever. Just minimising facts, repeating falsehoods and portraying women as being unreasonable and overreacting.

Those tactics won't work forever. Bit by bit the truth is emerging.

ElanoraHeights · 18/10/2018 13:04

There was some shocking footage in that film from the Woman’s Place meeting in Bristol and of Maria MacLachlan being beaten up and none of the panel condemned the treatment of these women who just want to meet and discuss the potential impact on women’s rights. The focus was on the horrible ‘transphobes’ (I’m so sick of that word).

I didn’t like what Camilla Tominey said at the beginning of the programme about Brexit but thought she was awesome during this section. And I was so frustrated with the two men trying to shout her down. I’m normally a big fan of Femi but can see he’s woker than woke where this issue is concerned.

I’m off to live on a desert island.

LorettasBox · 18/10/2018 13:06

My dad just texted me and said

after a lot of thorough self assessment have decided for the rest of the day I shall be known as a drainpipe and will demand to be recognised by travis perkins

Zeugma · 18/10/2018 13:06

Theresa Villiers, NoRun. Who not that long ago said she'd once been groped by the organiser of a Conservative event (in the context of #metoo). You'd think she'd have a bit more nous and think things through, wouldn't you? But no.

Zeugma · 18/10/2018 13:07

Oh, and Cohen's air quotes around 'sex'.

Give me strength.

ToeToToe · 18/10/2018 13:07

I wasn't looking at the screen when she introduced Benjamin - but as soon as she said the name, I knew it would be him. Why was he on there? They said at the beginning that "today we'll be discussing the women's issues, tomorrow we'll be looking into the trans issues" - so why the fuck did I have to listen to a fucking MAN telling us women don't matter- YET AGAIN ??

And yes, the smirk over the woman nearly killed in the boxing ring - the belittling of the dangers to women of men identifying into women's sport - just disgusting.

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 18/10/2018 13:08

I think I love your dad, Lorettasbox.

ToeToToe · 18/10/2018 13:10

And - "oh in a prison - yeah"

Yeah - lets not bother about the safety of those women - they're in prison. Criminals.

ElanoraHeights · 18/10/2018 13:13

A good point was made above that the film didn’t really cover the issues, only the difficulties the women had had in meeting. And tomorrow we get the trans side.

I help out at an animal shelter and we never get this kind of nonsense with the dogs and cats. They just are what they are. People could learn a lot from them!

AbsintheFriends · 18/10/2018 13:14

Can't wait to see who they get on to counter the TRA side tomorrow.

What's the betting it's a feminist of the Una Mullally persuasion.

TwistedStitch · 18/10/2018 13:21

Just a heads up- Kathleen Stock is on Newsnight tonight.

mobile.twitter.com/Docstockk/status/1052816622187159553

Popchyk · 18/10/2018 13:26

Wait, an actual women discussing issues that affect women? And not male people saying that there are no issues that affect women?

And this on the night before the consultation closes. The BBC really are quick off the mark, eh?

No doubt that there will be a male person or two on hand as well in order to achieve "balance".

LorettasBox · 18/10/2018 13:28

A male person will needed for the requisite talking over her when she speaks. He doesn't have to be an expert. They could just get a runner to do it, really.

OvaHere · 18/10/2018 13:31

I imagine they took note of the anger over the Sophie Cook womxn debacle and are trying to counteract that.

A little late in the day once again.

ToeToToe · 18/10/2018 13:34

Yes, Loretta - I think the woman in green actually had two men talking over her at once - the BBC excelled themselves there.

Maybe they'll get three on with Kathleen tonight.

Cwenthryth · 18/10/2018 13:34

Newsnight didn’t feel the need to have any balance when Sophie Cook was invited to speak about “womxn”

placemats · 18/10/2018 13:46

What enrages me is that this is an update of the GRA from 2004.

Yet women can still be prosecuted in this country under the Abortion Act of 1967.

www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1967/87.

That's an act over 50 years old. No appetite to change that despite the good work of some MPs.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/guest_posts/3397160-Guest-post-The-aim-of-my-Bill-is-to-stop-women-facing-the-criminal-courts-for-decisions-about-their-own-bodies

If gender is a feeling and to deny that feeling is transphobic then gender reveal parties are by that definition, transphobic.

I hope the report tomorrow has a gender critical person on board who with the help of someone else on the panel gets to shout others down.

The MP who spoke requires a back bone.

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 18/10/2018 13:51

Thinking about this some more, today's segment couldn't have shown more if it had tried the extent to which this issue is women vs misogynists.
Having Ben Cohen sit there, a smug smirking young man, being openly dismissive about women who are raped in prison and beaten up at Speaker's Corner, talking over the women who are trying to discuss it. And that following on from a film about women meeting in secret because they are physically attacked for talking.

I hope it will have made a lot of viewers who don't understand the issues (and still don't after watching), very uneasy.

ShotsFired · 18/10/2018 13:56

I thought the film was shit actually.

It didn't actually get into any of the real lissues, was just general speak about issues that you will only understand the gravity of if you are already au fait with the proposal. There was no real insight.

The debate was just two woke misogynists shouting over a woman with one other woman doing her best to act like she was invisible.

Now tomorrow I can almost guarantee will be bleeding hearts soft focus and quivering bottom lips.

It made me really angry.

ShotsFired · 18/10/2018 13:57

And also, why is it ALWAYS men discussing this? Why is it never a solely female panel discussing the issue from both sides?

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